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Rick Cerone: “Robinson Cano . . . what a fool!”

Jun 26, 2014, 4:50 PM EDT

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Former Yankees catcher Rick Cerone was on SiriusXM’s Fantasy Sports Radio channel with hosts Scott Engel and Adam Ronis today, and he had some pretty strong opinions about Robinson Cano signing with the Mariners:

Host/Scott Engel:  “Robinson Cano in Seattle, why is he not hitting for power?”

Rick Cerone:  “Big ballpark.  Big mistake.  No backup.  No protection in the lineup.  I mean, what a fool.  Robinson Cano, I liked him as a Yankee.  What a fool.  Got bad advice.  Yeah, he took more money but you know how much more money and exposure he could’ve had playing in New York, come to the lights.  He’s going to go up to Seattle, we might see him once or twice in an All-Star Game.  He’s only got four home runs.  Four home runs for how many million, 200 and something million dollars?”

Get that logic: “yeah, he went and took all that money, but if he hadn’t taken all of that money and stayed in New York he would’ve made more money!” Maybe someone should explain that to me because I don’t really get it.

He goes on to talk about how the travel from Seattle is brutal and will kill Cano in the long run. And yes, the Mariners fly more miles than anyone. But it’s not exactly middle-seat-on-a-commuter plane stuff. And Cerone uses his own personal experience of travel to and from Seattle to bolster his argument. Of course Cerone never played in Seattle and was only going there for short trips a couple times a year, but I suppose we’ll let him be the expert.

I have no idea what it is with former New York catchers that make them so certain that everyone else on the planet is dumb, but between him and Paul Lo Duca, they have that market cornered.

Here’s the whole interview:

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  1. extavernmouse - Jun 27, 2014 at 9:27 AM

    Everybody’s forgetting the fact that the Yankees wouldn’t let him grow his beard…

  2. thedavidbowers - Jun 27, 2014 at 9:31 AM

    Hate to admit it but, Cerone is RIGHT and Calcaterra’s Yankee-bias is showing! Biggest mistake of his life for Cano to leave NY where he was heir-apparent to the mantle (no pun intended) that Jeter has worn. All he had to do was take the Steinbrenner money … AND all the other $ that roll in to celebs in the NY market! Anyone who doesn’t understand the math of the money in NY (or ANY major media market) shouldn’t be writing articles about it. Yeah, he may have gotten a bigger contract but, if there wasn’t a lot more to be made in NY, all the others who ditch and come to NY first chance they get wouldn’t be doing it! And, without the protection of being surrounded by a solid lineup, Robbie isn’t getting the pitches to hit. Opposing teams can pitch around him. FOUR HOME RUNS! And we’re nearly half way thru the season!

    Make your excuses to the public, Robby. Inside you KNOW you blew it! Sure, it may have sounded good … more money up front, be the ‘star’ .. the star of what? A 3rd place team that probably won’t even get playoff money?? Instead of a team that gets outside money even when they DON’T win? Smooth move, dummy! You threw away a legacy.

    • nydemocrats - Jun 27, 2014 at 10:02 AM

      He left because his feelings were hurt by HIS perceived lack of respect from the organization. Well, now his feelings don’t matter diddly unless you want to read about them 2 days after the fact. He may as well be playing in Hawaii.

    • ynaughtnw - Jun 27, 2014 at 12:30 PM

      Cano IS getting respect here as he does around MLB except in the cesspool of NYY loyalists. We prefer his RBIs and element he brings to the game here. Yeah, Seattle needs another bat and most likely will as the AL West is now the dominant division in the AL (sorry NY and Boston fans, but check out the standings….and NY fans, the once top Yankees are looking more like Seattle of years past!).

      Cano loves it here. Felix Hernandez loves it here. The pitching here is in the top 2, the bullpen the best – and the players love playing here. Yep, and Seattle is winning…

      Oh yeah, was Cano overpaid – yep, but in 5 years, his pay is what the Yankees will be paying Michael Pineda to play in AAA.

      Finally, Cano NOW plays on a team, tepid BA and all, that has the 2nd best run differential in all of MLB. Seattle is behind only Oakland. Yankees?????? rank 24th!!! Even Seattle with it’s incredible rotation and bullpen though lame offense has scored more runs than the Yankees.

      FACT: Of all 2B in MLB, Cano ranks 2nd in RBI, 1 rbi behind WA’s Rendon. Yankee’s 2B? 25th
      FACT: Of all 2B in MLB, Cano ranks 2nd in BA, .010 pts behind Altuve. Yankees 2B? 19th
      FACT: Of all 2B in MLB, Cano is #1 in OBP. Yankees 2B? 15th (whoa, moving up!!!)

      Cano is in the top 10 in nearly all other stats though NYY 2B has a couple more triples though strikes out more than Cano. 4th in hits in all MLB (so, even when pitchers “pitch around him”, he still hits! Go figure (go look at facts). 8th in SLG but 2nd in OPS in ALL of MLB

      3rd place team, yes, but still better than the Yankees.

      Smooth move on not knowing the facts. Typical yankee fan who thinks there is no life west of the Poconos. Sorry, the AL West is now the powerhouse and Cano is happy to play baseball without the glam and noise of NY and fans like you. Move on, but read the fact first. Yay!

      • stevietimmy - Jun 27, 2014 at 1:26 PM

        Hah hah hah. Three months into the season and all of the sudden, “The AL West is now the powerhouse…” Nice sample size there “smooth move.”

      • howthenfcwestwaswon - Jun 27, 2014 at 1:45 PM

        Yep, if the playoffs started today there would be 3 teams from the AL West, including Seattle……….no yankee team in sight, lol.

      • bigharold - Jun 27, 2014 at 1:54 PM

        “3rd place team, yes, but still better than the Yankees.”

        Fact, both are 3rd place teams.
        Opinion, Mariner’s are better. Completely subjective without any concrete way to prove otherwise.
        Fact, the Yankees and Mariner’s record is seperated by two games in the win column and identical in the loss column.

        Why don’t you come back with how old the Yankees are, .. how they will fail because of age and injury. How their long term contracts will be the death of them, (a harsh lesson the Mariner’s will learn with Cano, it wasn’t the money the Yankees wanted to avoid it was the years), or how much better the Mariner’s farm system is compared to the Yankees. And, while your at it, be sure to explain how this is what is said about the Yankees EVERY year and yet they continue to better at getting into the playoffs than most teams. Yankees.

        It’s not that Cerone wasn’t bringing up valid points, it was that he did it in an overbearing tactless way. Rather than his off the cuff remarks to a radio talking head he should have given more thought to his response. Nevertheless, he is neither the Yankees nor Yankee fans official spokesman so he’s entitled to his opinion. I don’t begrudge Cano choosing the Mariner’s, it’s not like he sold out to the highest bidder, .. the Mariner offer was head and shoulders above anything ANY other team was willing to pay. It was a simple business decision. But, kid yourself he just reduced the likelihood of ever being in another WS. The Mariner’s, in the last 12 years have finished 2nd and 3rd just once and last every other year. Not exactly a record that should project and certainty of being a significant playoff threat.

        Like Cerone you are entitled to your opinion, e.g. “.. cesspool of NYY loyalists.” But, keep in mind the Mariner’s haven’t haven’t accomplished anything. And, without Cano, and with the comparatively paltry production from his replacements they are exactly two wins better than the Yankee. So, perhaps you can save the chest thumping until the Mariner’s actually do something. Because, so far they’ve accomplished nothing this season and there is a whole lot of season to go.

      • stevietimmy - Jun 27, 2014 at 3:12 PM

        Wow! And if the playoffs had started on April 22nd, the Yankees would be in…. no Mariner team in sight, lol.

      • tommyg2012 - Jun 28, 2014 at 2:08 AM

        You’ve got to be kidding? Right? Mommy lend you the PC today? Where’s daddy. Get off the outer kid……grown ups talking here

      • Kevin S. - Jun 28, 2014 at 11:04 AM

        Yankees are -28 in run differential. Seattle’s +52. That pretty objectively makes the Mariners the better team.

      • bigharold - Jun 28, 2014 at 1:51 PM

        “Yankees are -28 in run differential. Seattle’s +52. That pretty objectively makes the Mariners the better team.”

        If that were accurate then they’d have a significantly better record than the Yankees, which they don’t.

    • backyardbaseball3457 - Jun 27, 2014 at 4:34 PM

      I sympathize with NY fans over losing Mr. Cano. He’s a game changer and it is tough to lose a player of his caliber. The jilted often strike out in anger. Sure, Seattle paid big bucks to land Robinson but it will prove to be a good investment in my opinion. His professionalism is apparent if understated and underrated and is proving to be the benchmark for his less experienced brethren. They eagerly seem to be soaking it all in. His attitude and optimistic demeanor is a welcome change to what we’ve had in the past. It’s a new era here in Seattle Mariner Baseball and Mr. Cano is the vital co-conduit along with Mr. Hernandez.

    • dstark9 - Jun 27, 2014 at 7:21 PM

      Cano is batting over .330 this season. He is having a excellent season.

    • illbarry - Jul 1, 2014 at 11:29 PM

      Cano left because the Yankees are a very old team well past their prime. Seattle has been ahead of the Yankees all year and will continue to do so and are a very young team with a lot of potential young stars. Cano himself is not a home run hitter he is more of a doubles hitter that drives in runs and is very suited for Safeco Field just like Edgar Martinez was. What the Yankees did in the past makes no difference today it is past history.

  3. orangecisco - Jun 27, 2014 at 9:55 AM

    The funniest thing I find about these arguments, I bet every person defending Cano’s decision to move to Seattle have at one point or another said that Derek Jeter’s career would have been average at best if he didn’t play in New York.

  4. nydemocrats - Jun 27, 2014 at 9:57 AM

    Yes, he did get a bundle of money. Maybe that’s all he wanted. But I doubt it. Since Cano won the HR contest during the allstar pregame festivities, he’s been on a personal high. This suggests that like all of us, he has an ego. Well, once you get past a certain amount of money, cash is trumped by ego 100% of the time. You start thinking of legacy and history. In Seattle’s history, the truly great players they had all got twice as big AFTER they left Seattle. Yeah, everyone knew Griffey, Arod, Johnson and the like but they knew them a lot better after Seattle. Everyday, you pick up your sports page and read all about the west coast scores and game stories from TWO days ago. Face it, the casual fan has no appreciation for the job Oakland does. The job that the Giants do. What’s even going on with the Angels? Well, the same goes for Seattle only worse. In NY, Cano’s name is on most people’s tongues every day. I am not a statistics freak but I am an absorbed fan of baseball.
    I have to be honest, I am completely in the dark on Cano this year. Same goes for Hamilton, Pujols, Grienke, Posey, etc.. How many typical fans know anything about King Felix? They know more about DuBront(a #4 starter). He has his money. Soon it will not be enough. Any bets on whether he’ll finish out the 10 years in Seattle?

    • orangecisco - Jun 27, 2014 at 10:04 AM

      They might not have a choice. At what point does that contract become tradeable? When he is 39 years old?

      • illbarry - Jul 2, 2014 at 12:01 AM

        Why does it need to be tradable, Cano has had a career of stability and no history of missing games, it is the AL so if he slows down he can DH. Seattle has a huge cable deal, it is the 11th largest market in the country and it can both afford Cano and others.

    • ynaughtnw - Jun 27, 2014 at 1:19 PM

      @nyd: “Everyday, you pick up your sports page and read all about the west coast scores and game stories from TWO days ago.”

      Wrong, though you don’t realize there is life west of the Poconos, millions read about the west coast scores the evening of or early morning following the game. Yep, we have electricity, internet…

      Oakland is the best team in baseball and even average fans know this. Most fans see hoe the Yankees are playing more like Seattle of old then the dynasty they were last century. The everyday fan knows full well the Giants are putting together another great season. Most fans know the Angels are for real and if they were in the AL East, boston and yankee fans would be lamenting the Angels lead. Seems you are actually proud of narrow mindedness…..how’s that working for you in baseball knowledge and life in general?

      You say you are an “absorbed fan” but your ignorance of the millions of fans west of the Poconos is glaring to say the least. Crikey, it’s the 21st Century, not 1950. Yes, in summer in the NE around the hellholes of NYC/NJ, what do you do but sit and watch baseball.

      Here in Seattle, we have endless mountain trails, wilderness, rivers, salt water inlets, lakes, national parks, monuments, mountains, beautiful cities, great food, over 750 wineries in WA alone, amazingly fresh seafood, foodies all around, home of craft beer (not the chilled yellow stuff), quality of life options that give us more than just sitting in a stadium or recliner doing nothing. Yes, I lived in NJ and NYC, or did time there…..wow, I could not wait to get back to the Pac NW!

      Still, many of us do catch a game too. Safeco Field is a gem – we see the city skyline, the stadium that holds the Super Bowl Champs, then on the concourse area, we can see Mt Rainier to the south, Olympic mtns to the west, Puget Sound, waterways, sailboats…..The whole place is alive.

      and then you have the Bronx/NJ/NY area……I know, I’ve been there many times. Yikes!

      And, we have the best 2B in the league (as his BA, OBP, defense shows), nearly the top rotation, the top bullpen and you know something? We have the 2nd best run differential of all MLB – Your NYY ranks way down 24th or so. And, the AL West is the dominant division in the AL – facts are facts and everyone west of the Poconos knows it – baseball is alive and well and winning in the west. The yankee dynasty is dying. facts are facts.

      • jeffdavebar - Jun 27, 2014 at 3:45 PM

        Speaking as someone who lived very (thankfully) briefly in Seattle I can definitely say it’s not for everyone. If you are not someone who likes the “great outdoors” it can be truly awful. I have done hiking, fishing (ugh) camping and other assorted outdoorsy activities and will be thrilled if I never do them again. People out there actually leave the bars early to get up to run around in the woods on the weekends! As far as the food- vastly overrated. If you don’t like fish, seafood, sushi- forget it. I could not get the ethnic foods I grew up with or a decent pizza to save my life. As far as beer- here in Chicago I can get anything i want (i prefer European beers) and the best beer store I’ve ever been to is in western New York. Generally though it’s the people that are the worst- they are not 1/10 as cool as they think they are. Music scene- again not as cool as they seem to think. The overall arrogance and haughtiness as exemplified by your paragraph about the “great” Pac NW is just too much for me to stomach. No offense- i’m sure you are a nice guy.
        Sorry- nothing is as alive for me as the cities of Chicago/New York and the history there. Maybe in a few 100 years places in the NWE will have that feel.
        Safeco- been there once- never again. Seems like everyone there is more interested in fancy sushi rolls and fancy coffee drinks (barf) than any actual baseball.
        Bottom line- if you are not a crunchy granola hippie outdoors type- it hasn’t much to offer. Just saying.

      • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 2:27 PM

        I guess that when you were in the NYC area, all you did was sit at home and cry. There are more Mountains, lakes, rivers, etc in the North East than there are in Washington state. And I didn’t realize that ALL the fish in the Atlantic Ocean have disappeared. I live on the West Coast, spent three wet years in the Seattle area and know almost nothing about the Mariners. I also played baseball or Softball for 50 years including two years as a pro before tearing my rotator cuff. It was and is all ball players goal to play in the North East part of the USA. Seattle IS a beautiful city but of course you have to get used to having rain nearly every day. Mold runs rampant through out the area and the idea of a night out is going to the local CW bar and shooting pool. When you get the museums, Broadway, The Arts of NYC then you may brag about the area. Right now your nothing but a pretender and at the end of THIS season you still will be. The Yankees top three starting pitchers have been out for the past several months yet their only two wins behind the Mariners. Start bragging when you have something to brag about. Nay sayers like you have been panning the Yankees for years. I’ll finish by asking one question. Just how many World Series have the Mariners won??

    • howthenfcwestwaswon - Jun 27, 2014 at 1:55 PM

      It’s regional……..out here, no casual fan could tell you anything about the Yankees, Orioles, or Blue Jays. If you can’t get scores til 2 days later you might want to try a different newspaper, or reading them online like most baseball fans do. I would think NY would be a bit more sophisticated than that…….I’d be wrong.

    • illbarry - Jul 1, 2014 at 11:56 PM

      Griffey was the most popular player in baseball every year in Seattle. He was the leading vote getter in the all star games, was in a movie along with Randy Johnson. He had multiple big time endorsements. Edgar Martinez was the Yankee killer with tons of exposure. The sports page you must pick up must be all about NY sports and no one else. 2 days later? This is 2014 not 1932!! LOL!!

  5. pete2112 - Jun 27, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    Craig,
    I’m not quite sure how you’re so baffled by this. Are you saying that even though the Yankees would’ve paid him less than Seattle that Cano wouldn’t have made up that difference by the media exposure and endorsements he was sure to get by staying in NY? I don’t think there’s any question that a player like Cano would be able to cash in on endorsements in NY more than what he’s getting in Seattle.
    Also, clearly he’s not the same hitter without protection around him or playing in a bigger park, so just for those factors alone his star is going to fall. Perhaps Cerone calling him a fool is a bit harsh, but I think the point he was trying to make stands. I just don’t see Cano being able to put that team on his back and getting the same popularity in Seattle as he would’ve had in NY. Even more so next season when Jeter is gone which would’ve resulted in him being the face of the Yankees.

  6. stevietimmy - Jun 27, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    “I have no idea what it is with former New York catchers that make them so certain that everyone else on the planet is dumb, but between him and Paul Lo Duca, they have that market cornered.”

    Hmmmmm, so by criticizing Robinson Cano’s decision, he is, in your words, “… so certain that everyone else on the planet is dumb”?

    Really? Is that what he is saying and/or thinking? I guess we will just have to chalk this one up to “blogger logic.”

  7. swyrlpr - Jun 27, 2014 at 11:10 AM

    Cano has the 6th best batting average in the AL thanks to that big park, and he’s also on pace to get more hits this season than any season in his career. The argument that he has no protection in the Mariners lineup is a little disingenuious, because if he was still with the Yankee’s he would have the same problem. The Mariners slugging percentage is .378, the Yankees, .380

    But the bigger issue is that the Mariners actually do have protection for Cano in the lineup. Kyle Seager is 8th in the AL in RBI’s, 15th in OPS (which is better than Cano’s), and for the sabermetrics crowd, Seager is 11th in WAR.

    All that money in the Yankee’s payroll and yet they don’t have a single hitter better than Seager.

    • pete2112 - Jun 27, 2014 at 11:24 AM

      Those are all good points and he’s certainly have a good season, but the lack of power I would think is a concern for Seattle and something they wouldn’t have expected with the size of the contract he signed.
      You’re also correct with regard to the Yankees not really having much to offer him for protection in the line up. The Yankees are definitely going in the wrong direction and who knows how or when all of that changes, but my main point was really that the money difference would’ve been a wash if he had stayed in NY.

      I miss him on the Yankees. He’s a pure hitter with a smooth swing who also makes playing second base look effortless, but with Jeter on his way out he really would’ve been the guy in NY if had stayed. The money was there even if the contract offered by the Yankees wasn’t.

    • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 2:36 PM

      Statistics only count at the end of the year. Seattle will NOT make the playoffs this year and will not make the World Series in the next five years. I’d bet that New York will!!!

      • illbarry - Jul 2, 2014 at 12:17 AM

        You better save your money, or you will soon part with it. What the Yankees did in the past is the past and of no consequence now. Seattle is eight games over .500 while the Yankees are .500. The Yankees pitching staff is not very good, its batting lacks power and RBI producers. The Yankees have a very low OBP while the mariners “weak” offense is near the top. George is gone and he is not coming back and players in their prime are not flocking to play in NY anymore.

  8. harley5571 - Jun 27, 2014 at 1:36 PM

    I will never understand how you can give up be ‘revered’ in Yankee Nation 4ever for a few bucks. I think his daddy had a lot to do with this decision.

    • bigharold - Jun 27, 2014 at 1:59 PM

      $60-70 mil ain’t “.. a few bucks”.

  9. michigan1976 - Jun 27, 2014 at 7:09 PM

    Rick Cerone dosen’t know much. Mariners are ahead of the Yankee’s and their little league ballpark in home runs currently this year. Mariners have some of the best shut down pitching in baseball. Teams are not looking past us this year. Our home grown young players are starting to find their stride now in both pitching and hitting. Teams are starting not to pitch around Cano as much because our guys behind him are crushing there own homeruns. Cano is playing it smart and taking what the pitchers are giving him and pounding the ball all over the ballpark. When the situation arises and the pitchers MUST come at the guy he is looking downtown. His HR’s will start coming in bunches. Are guys are doing alright we keep having there great guys coming up out of minors pounding and pitching there way into the lineup. Our Manager is having the luzury of having to MUCH talented pitching. Nice problem to have. Hopefully around trade deadline a couple of good guys will come available to add some depth to the everyday lineup to make a good run at the Athletics who appear to have the best balance in baseball with their homeruns, base on balls and RBI’s and great pitching. We are dead even on our head to head match ups with them this year.

    • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 2:45 PM

      “Are guys”, “luzury” I suggest you go back to school and learn grammar and how to spell. Or, at least, get a spell check for your computer. Plus with ALL your talented pitching your still only two games ahead of the hated Yankees and you have played two more games than they have. Really, I learned not to brag when I was 5 years old. You actually have to accomplish something to brag about it. Seattle has not!!!!!

      • illbarry - Jul 2, 2014 at 12:20 AM

        Just what has this current Yankee team accomplished? Nothing!!

  10. bobdawg602 - Jul 2, 2014 at 9:34 PM

    Annual rainfall statistics show it rains more in NYC than in Seattle. Fact?

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