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Rick Cerone: “Robinson Cano . . . what a fool!”

Jun 26, 2014, 4:50 PM EST

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Former Yankees catcher Rick Cerone was on SiriusXM’s Fantasy Sports Radio channel with hosts Scott Engel and Adam Ronis today, and he had some pretty strong opinions about Robinson Cano signing with the Mariners:

Host/Scott Engel:  “Robinson Cano in Seattle, why is he not hitting for power?”

Rick Cerone:  “Big ballpark.  Big mistake.  No backup.  No protection in the lineup.  I mean, what a fool.  Robinson Cano, I liked him as a Yankee.  What a fool.  Got bad advice.  Yeah, he took more money but you know how much more money and exposure he could’ve had playing in New York, come to the lights.  He’s going to go up to Seattle, we might see him once or twice in an All-Star Game.  He’s only got four home runs.  Four home runs for how many million, 200 and something million dollars?”

Get that logic: “yeah, he went and took all that money, but if he hadn’t taken all of that money and stayed in New York he would’ve made more money!” Maybe someone should explain that to me because I don’t really get it.

He goes on to talk about how the travel from Seattle is brutal and will kill Cano in the long run. And yes, the Mariners fly more miles than anyone. But it’s not exactly middle-seat-on-a-commuter plane stuff. And Cerone uses his own personal experience of travel to and from Seattle to bolster his argument. Of course Cerone never played in Seattle and was only going there for short trips a couple times a year, but I suppose we’ll let him be the expert.

I have no idea what it is with former New York catchers that make them so certain that everyone else on the planet is dumb, but between him and Paul Lo Duca, they have that market cornered.

Here’s the whole interview:

145 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. tbutler704 - Jun 26, 2014 at 4:57 PM

    Sounds like your typical dips!!t Yankee fan.

    • bigharold - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:17 PM

      As opposed to “INSERT TEAM NAME HERE” typical dip S*&t fan?

    • marinermatt - Jun 26, 2014 at 9:53 PM

      I’m a diehard M’s fan and I honestly can’t stand Cano. He hit in yankee stadium but that’s a smaller field . I honestly would’ve rather had them sign a couple if bats that produce that didn’t NEED as much money but nevertheless. I wish he would’ve continued his career somewhere else other than Seattle.

  2. timsizzle83 - Jun 26, 2014 at 4:58 PM

    Yeah, he’s totally spot on with his comments. You must be a sawx fan, that or your nickname around town is MONGO.

    • drewsylvania - Jun 29, 2014 at 10:44 AM

      I hear derping.

  3. stoutfiles - Jun 26, 2014 at 4:59 PM

    “Get that logic: “yeah, he went and took all that money, but if he hadn’t taken all of that money and stayed in New York he would’ve made more money!” Maybe someone should explain that to me because I don’t really get it.”

    Off the field endorsements can be very lucrative. Putting up those numbers in Seattle will have him fade into obscurity and he will get little to no money in the offseason.

    • scottolstad - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:04 PM

      Yeah because I saw Robinson Cano in so many Gatorade commericals while he was in New York. If the Mariners were willing to give him $40 million more dollars than that Yankees… well, let’s just say not even New York has $40 million in endorsement money for an over 30 second basemen.

    • Craig Calcaterra - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:04 PM

      He took $60M more to go to Seattle. Not sure what you think a ballplayer who isn’t Derek Jeter makes in endorsements, but it ain’t $60 million over the next couple years of his prime.

      • scoochpooch - Jun 26, 2014 at 6:36 PM

        Wow, Craig got totally schooled again. Now don’t lie, you weren’t even thinking about the endorsement angle were you? Remeber haste makes waste.
        You don’t think he received $4-6m a year in endosements. Just say its 4m/yr, then he went to Seattle for $20m more, essentially chump change in the whole scheme of things. I guess everyone here is familiar with NPV concepts where $1 more is the project (team) you should decide to take on.
        Everyone seems to be missing the point here, Cerone is saying that Cano made a poor decision for his career. If money is more important than career then fine. No Yankee fans are saying how dare he leave the Yankees, thats BS. They just know he’d be more successful in NYC than Seattle.
        It’s early but does anyone really think he deserves $30m/year if he hits 10 HRs a year? BTW, the ballpark issue is also BS because since they moved the fences in, the Mariners have been rocking homers near the top of the league.

      • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 26, 2014 at 7:28 PM

        You don’t think he received $4-6m a year in endosements.

        Name his endorsements. And also please tell us how he’d make up the lack of a state income tax as well?

      • wogggs - Jun 26, 2014 at 7:38 PM

        I don’t know what Cano said at the time, but I hope it was, “All I cared about was the money,” which is fine. Going to Seattle means it is (a lot) less likely he will win (or even sniff) a championship. Going to Seattle means it is a lot less likely he will be elected to the HOF, because his offensive numbers will be suppressed as will his public profile.

        I would think he will also make a lot less in endorsement money during and after his career (for the reasons stated above). Whether the extra endorsement money he could have earned by playing in a higher profile market and having a more successful career (both individually and team-wise) we will never know. These are things he had to weigh in making the decision to sign with the Mariners.

        It seems to me, his best hope is that the team continues to be the Mariners and in 3 or 4 years the Mariners trade him to a contender, similar to the Rangers and A-Rod. The hard part about that will be his age at the time such a deal is likely to be in the offing.

      • jeffbbf - Jun 26, 2014 at 8:04 PM

        ugh – another stupid post by a moron who is quick to type but slow to research:

        When he left NY, he had endorsement deals with Nike, Mastercard, Bing Mobile, and CameoStars that paid him about $3million/year. Most marketing experts felt that would have gone up significantly once Jeter retired and he became the face of the Yankees in NY. Maybe. Maybe not. We’ll never know. Nothing wrong with taking the guaranteed money. Besides, at what point is enough enough? I’d rather sign the contract to give me $240 million than sign for $60 million less and have to work and hope for the other $60 million.

      • Tatsu Sasaki - Jun 26, 2014 at 11:17 PM

        Pepsi inked Cano to a multi year deal when he was with the Yankees.

      • jfk69 - Jun 27, 2014 at 9:55 AM

        One in the hand is worth 40 million in the bush. I see the downside all the time with gamblers. The public..They will gamble your millions. But never theirs. lol

    • randomjoeblow - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:13 PM

      So, other than the first $298 million he will have made in his career…he should be worried about lost endorsements?!

      • scoochpooch - Jun 26, 2014 at 6:39 PM

        You obviously missed the whole point of the article – determining if this was his best decision for his CAREER.

      • nbjays - Jun 27, 2014 at 7:49 AM

        Yes, because the only place you can even hope for a successful and fulfilling career in baseball is New York, right?

    • 4cornersfan - Jun 26, 2014 at 6:08 PM

      If Cano couldn’t have received $4 million a year from endorsements for the next 10 years in NY his agent would not have been doing his job. Jeter makes $9 or 10 million a year. New York has a huge Hispanic population while there are maybe 100,000 Hispanics in the Seattle area. Cano’s brown face and halting English are not going to convince whitebread Seattle residents to rush out and buy something.

      • way2slic - Jun 26, 2014 at 6:35 PM

        Jeter is the only MLB player that makes real money from endorsements. The top 10 MLB players made a combined $15 million in endorsement money last year with Jeter making 2/3 of it. The next nine guys on the list combined for $5 million.

      • kardshark1 - Jun 26, 2014 at 6:55 PM

        Sabathia makes 500k a year in NY. Felix Hernandez makes 250k a year in Seattle according to Forbes. But you think Cano will make 4 mil a year more from endorsements in NY than he will in Seattle? Uh… whatever you say.

        Washington is 11% Hispanic, couple that with the 37% in California, while NY is 17%. So not sure what you’re talking about.

        “100,000 Hispanics in the Seattle area” You might want to actually use facts instead of just throwing numbers out there that help your narrative. in 2010, 200k Hispanics in King County alone.

        Also 20.6 million Hispanics on the West coast, 6.5 mil in the North East according to the 2010 census. Again, what are you talking about?

    • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 2:51 PM

      What is the problem with the Seattle fans? Don’t they understand that there are many more “endorsements” in New York City than Seattle. What is Cano going to endorse in Seattle? Gentlemman Jim’s used cars or The Salmon Factory?? If you can not understand what you are talking about, it is better to keep your mouth shut.

    • illbarry - Jul 2, 2014 at 12:31 AM

      Griffey never had a problem with endorsements in Seattle. Ichiro never had a problem getting endorsements in Seattle. Gary Payton never did. The whole endorsement argument about having to be in NY to get big time endorsements is a bunch of BS especially in todays world!!

  4. csbanter - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:00 PM

    Cerrone sounds like a bitter ex major league player who sees Cano making more in one month than he did over an entire season.

    • genericcommenter - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:33 PM

      ALMOST more in 1 month than Cerone made in his CAREER. His season earnings for this year passed Cerone’s career sometime in mid-May.

  5. bigharold - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:08 PM

    Cano made a business decision based on more than just money. Nobody knows definitively what the calculus of his decision making process was, .. least of all Cerone. And, even if it was just about the money, .. well he got $70 mil more than the Yankees were going to pay him so it’s not like he just sold out to the highest bidder. The offer blew every other offer out of the water. Just like the Yankees did to Sabathia in 2009. I didn’t hear any former Yankees calling Sabathia a sell out

    Cerone comes across a bit bombastic but he isn’t saying anything that others have been saying. But, his remarks while accurate also are not fully in context. The difference between what the Yankees were offering and what he signed for with Seattle, .. the income taxes alone on that amount is far more than Cerone made his entire career. It was Cano’s decision to make so Cerone should probably mind his own business.

    • jwbiii - Jun 26, 2014 at 6:15 PM

      The Yankees’ offer of 7/$175m had a $1m higher AAV than the Mariners’ 10/$240m offer. But the difference in state taxes is about $1.1m, so that’s pretty much a wash. Plus he gets the additional three years.

    • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 2:55 PM

      I’m sorry, no matter how you look at it, he DID sell out to the highest bidder. Was it right? NO one knows. 50 years from now what difference will it make. Seattle will still have a mediocre team and the Yankees will still be in the World Series.

  6. jss1330 - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:15 PM

    Is there really that many endorsement deals for Hispanic ballplayers? I can’t recall Albert or Félix getting the amount of exposure Bryce gets.

    • Kevin S. - Jun 26, 2014 at 6:01 PM

      Albert’s gotten an insane amount of exposure over his career. Felix, not so much.

      • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 2:59 PM

        Albert is a much better hitter than Felix is a pitcher. It is like comparing avocados to tomatoes.

    • mikhelb - Jun 26, 2014 at 7:21 PM

      Hispanic players sell A LOT worlwide. In the DR, PR, México, Venezuela, Panamá and other hispanic countries it is hard to see Bryce Harper jerseys or even ads, while most ads were with Canó, Ortíz, Pujols, Félix Hernández rarely gets promoted in anything and that’s because for TV stations the games on the east coast are easily scheduled to be on TV, games from the west coast with Félix and now Canó air at the same time than in NY or even later in Venezuela. You might think it is a small market but it isn’t.

  7. stevem7 - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:18 PM

    It’s always amazing to me how much Craig is willing to put his own ignorance on display every time he writes a column like this. It’s simple economics Craig … there are no endorsements in Seattle.

    • mazblast - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:27 PM

      There’s also less pollution, less crowding, the possibility of not living your life under a microscope, more relaxation, far less media hostility, no Steinbrenners, and NO STATE INCOME TAX.

      The money is great, but there could be other reasons for his doing the unthinkable, committing the apostate action of leaving THE YANKEES. Why are some Yankee supporters so butt-hurt about ONE Yankee star leaving The Holy See as a free agent when so many have come there the same way? Is The Bronx some kind of black (and white pinstriped) hole, in which free agents are supposed to come but no one ever leave?

      • Reflex - Jun 26, 2014 at 10:52 PM

        This, here. I’ve been offered as much as 3.5x my current already well above average salary to move to NYC and accept a job offer. Every time I’ve done the calculations I’ve come to the conclusion that the quality of life, both in terms of economics and how far my money will go, and in terms of the population density and general every day living would be a substantial downgrade to my quality of life and economic position in the Seattle area.

        Yeah, that pay would be great, but the tradeoffs just aren’t worth it. I came to the same conclusion when evaluating offers from the bay area in Cali, especially once taxes were factored in.

        It would not shock me if the more laid back local culture, lack of high population density, amazingly clean air and water, mild weather, very low crime rates and amazing natural beauty in this region were not themselves of significant value when he made his considerations. To get all of that and still have a higher paycheck? Sign me up, I wish I could get my NYC level offers here in Seattle…

      • ytsprinter82 - Jun 27, 2014 at 12:02 AM

        Washington has a higher suicude rate than NY. Actually, NY is the lowest with only DC at a lower rate.

      • Reflex - Jun 27, 2014 at 3:39 AM

        Washington has a higher life expectancy for Latinos (nearly a full year!), maybe that overrode the chance of suicide in his mind.

        Hey, two can play at the ‘grab a random stat to permit me to ignore everything else’ game!

      • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 3:04 PM

        That is because many of them wind up in the Baseball Hall of Fame!!!

    • genericcommenter - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:39 PM

      There aren’t many endorsements in baseball, in general. At least not compared to other sports and celebrity occupations. It’s not like basketball where every draft pick seems to get a lifetime shoe deal.

    • Wesley Clark - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:54 PM

      Since you seem to be an advertising expert, how much did Cano leave on the table by not taking the Yankees offer (which by the way was $60 million less)? And please show your work.

      • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 3:09 PM

        That is as stupid a comment that I’ve ever seen posted!! I’m guessing that you were never known as a brainiac.

    • stex52 - Jun 26, 2014 at 6:08 PM

      Wow, and Robbie’s going to be really hurting for money, too. /S

  8. gatorprof - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:20 PM

    Just the facts…

    1) Cano took a much more lucrative deal financially from Seattle.

    2) Cano’s power numbers are WAY DOWN this year. Just think, Mariners just paid a quarter of a billion dollars for “Ichiro”. A guy that hits .325, has 8-10 HRs, is essentially just that. Not a bad player, but not a quarter billion dollar player.

    3) Robbie would have replaced Jeter as the face of the most storied baseball franchise, but chose to go to the place where HOF caliber players start their career and leave, rather than finish their careers.

    Cervone could have said it differently, but Robbie is a fool. A rich fool, but at the end of the day, he could have been the rare superstar that stayed with one franchise for his career.

    • paperlions - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:29 PM

      Enjoy all of the production from future HOFers Ichiro and Beltran.

      The “most storied franchise” thing is only important to Yankee fans, it has no actual value and no one else cares. The Mariners are actually a better team than the Yankees this year and have a much better farm system. He has a far better chance of winning a WS the next several years in Seattle than he does in NY….and that actually says more about the Yankees than it does the Mariners.

      • scoochpooch - Jun 26, 2014 at 6:43 PM

        When did you start following baseball yesterday? Dynasties come ever once in a while, do you think the Mariners will win 4 WS in 5 years or whichever garbage team you root for? Same stuff was said in the 80s, Yankees are terrible blah blah blah. And then out of nowhere they seem to make the playoffs every year, make 7 WS, etc. They can’t win evey year, no one’s saying they should or will, so stop it.

      • paperlions - Jun 26, 2014 at 6:47 PM

        No, I don’t think the Mariner’s will win any WS the next 4 or 5 years, but I also don’t think the Yankees will.

        Take a look at your team, who on that team is on the right side of 20 and productive?

        It is a VERY old team, not a particularly athletic team, and a team in serious decline with few internal replacement options. You can only throw out so many $100M contracts to attract big-time FAs that turn out to be average regulars or worse.

      • mikhelb - Jun 26, 2014 at 7:25 PM

        “The “most storied franchise” thing is only important to Yankee fans, it has no actual value and no one else cares.”

        Are you sure? the name alone sells, even a soccer team in the UK wanted to associate with the Yankees so both could promote their product, heck, the Yankees are regularly scheduled in Europe, Asia, and hispanoamerica just based on the name alone (that makes the Yankees profit a lot more).

      • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 26, 2014 at 7:30 PM

        Take a look at your team, who on that team is on the right side of 20 and productive?

        Tanaka, boo yah! And umm…did I mention Tanaka?

        /cries

      • paperlions - Jun 26, 2014 at 8:22 PM

        Tanaka is indeed fantastic.

      • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 3:26 PM

        I admit that NO team can play in the World Series every year. But if you look at history as all persons with brains do, please exempt all politicians and high ranked military, the Yankees have a reputation of winning that is proven. The Mariners will NEVER have that. Seattle may have a year or two when they excel or get lucky, however, they will never win four or five World Series consecutively as the Yankees have done on more than one occasion. Although in Seattle it is easier to cheat and throw spitballs as it is usually raining or damp outside. Cano may well spend his extra 60 million trying to keep the mold out of his house and having the wrinkles removed from his body. I understand they still worship the Rain God in that area.

    • 4cornersfan - Jun 26, 2014 at 6:16 PM

      You are correct, Cano is a fool. He could have been something special, a star player on the most famous team in sports history and he took the money. He will fade into a has-been soon enough and then the only time we will read a blog about him here is if he does something really stupid.

      • stex52 - Jun 26, 2014 at 6:18 PM

        Poor guy. I just feel heartbroken over it. :-)

      • raysfan1 - Jun 26, 2014 at 7:26 PM

        I’m sure he’s very upset about not hearing the media and talking about how he doesn’t hustle anymore.

      • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 26, 2014 at 7:31 PM

        He will fade into a has-been soon enough and then the only time we will read a blog about him here is if he does something really stupid.

        Yeah, because we never heard about Edgar Martinez, Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey Jr, or Alex Rodriguez until they left the Mariners. Do you understand how dumb this sounds?

    • genericcommenter - Jun 26, 2014 at 8:23 PM

      Cano and Ichiro aren’t really comparable, outside of cherry-picking a couple stats (and I would say one should expect Cano to perform around his 2006-2007 numbers, not his 2012 numbers, but that’s another story). However, from 2001-2010 Ichiro’s numbers were worth over a quarter billion, if you go by the value of WAR and all that. In fact, if Cano’s 2014-2023 #s matched up with ichiro’s decade (they won’t) he’d outperform his contract. he won’t because it’s his last decade, not his first (among other reasons).

      One thing Ichiro and Cano DO have in common- They are both going to be overpaid by the Mariners in their late 30s, and someone will have overpaid for their 40s, too.

  9. randygnyc - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:26 PM

    Cano had the opportunity to take over the NY Baseball scene starting next year. Once Jeter retires, that market will be looking for someone new. Add on top of that legacy and winning. Neither can be achieved in Seattle. (Perhaps if he started and finished in Seattle he would have a decent legacy, but not now)

    • 18thstreet - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:31 PM

      Yeah, so he could have spent the next eight years hearing, “Cano’s great, but he’s no Jeter.” Who on earth would want to fill those shoes?

      • dcarroll73 - Jun 26, 2014 at 11:24 PM

        I seem to remember that phrase used when The Mick got the spotlight with DiMaggio’s retirement, but somehow Mantle managed just fine. Some are great, and others are maybe not up to the task. Cano was fine, but 10 years would have been crazy. As it was, the Yanks would have probaly overpaid for seven years, and I’d bet they might have gone for eight if Robbie had shown any budge on 10 years. So I value what Cano did for the Yanks, but if that was the deal, I am glad to say, “Fare the well.”

      • 18thstreet - Jun 27, 2014 at 7:19 AM

        Cano is not as good as Mickey Mantle.

        There, I said it. I don’t care how many feathers I ruffle, but that’s what I believe.

    • 18thstreet - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:39 PM

      And if you’re under the impression that the next 10 years in the Bronx are anything other than a sinking ship, then you’re headed for a world of disappointment. The farm is dry, and the free agent market is a sad, sad place (see: Beltran, C. ($45 million); and McCann, B ($85 million); and Ellsbury, J. ($153 million)). This is not 2000: you can’t fix your holes with free agents because teams are locking up their best players. What makes it to the market — exclusively — are players PAST their prime.

      I’m not betting on Seattle to win a title in the next five or six years, but at the moment they’ve got more wins and a younger roster than the Yankees.

      • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 3:34 PM

        “At the moment” is the key phrase. Don’t any of the Seattle fans realize that you DON”T win a World Series in June???? Please everyone, brag when you win something not in the middle of a season!!!!

    • stex52 - Jun 26, 2014 at 6:16 PM

      I’m sure that Cano understood his options. The point is, it didn’t matter that much to him to stay. Everyone loves where they are in some way.

      Hey, I like New York. Great place to visit. But people there are so provincial.

      • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM

        I am a native New Yorker and there is no way I’d ever live there. But I would love to visit it often.
        Broadway shows, The Museum of Natural History, The Statue of Liberty and MANY more. What does Seattle have other than the Space Needle???????

  10. 18thstreet - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:27 PM

    I think people who like their hometown often can’t understand why anyone would leave it. Rural life’s the best! There’s no place like Chicago! Southern women are the prettiest! Can’t beat the big sky of Montana!

    It’s a big country. People should live and work wherever they want to. Seattle’s a nice city, and if New Yorkers left their islands now and then, they’d realize it.

    I swear, no place on earth has more insular people than New York. There are expletive deleted lights everywhere. Maybe Robinson Cano didn’t like your lights that much.

    • paperlions - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:30 PM

      Texans would give them a run for their insular money.

      • 18thstreet - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:41 PM

        Okay, people per square inch.

      • stex52 - Jun 26, 2014 at 6:07 PM

        Remember, you were out around Lubbock, Paper. That’s the backwater.

      • paperlions - Jun 26, 2014 at 6:32 PM

        I’ve met people from all over Texas, while they are not all the same, as a group, Texans are VERY insular. In our lab at Texas Tech, the entire time I was there, there were only 2 students from Texas (out of about 30), one from Lubbock and one from San Antonio. The one from Lubbock had a job at a university in CA, he quit and moved back to Texas and got a job working for a consulting firm because his wife insisted on moving back to Texas. The other had tenure at LSU, and any time a job opened up at a large university in Texas, he applied. He took a job in Texas this past year.

        Yes, that is only two examples, but it is a far more common refrain from Texans (even those that leave) than any other group of people I’ve met. Texans also have a high propensity to explain how things in non-Texas places are different from things in Texas and why it is that the way in Texas is better….true, this is a trait that many groups of people have (New Yorkers, Chicagoans, the French), but Texans have a higher rate of aversion to change (with respect to what they are used to) than most other groups of people. I am not saying that is necessarily bad, (the level of nationalistic pride Texans have in their state is exemplary), but it is most certainly true.

        BTW, where are you from and where do you live now? :-)

    • indaburg - Jun 27, 2014 at 7:35 PM

      Hey now… former NYer here. New Yorkers do leave their island, like I did. Half the state of Florida is comprised of former New Yorkers, which could explain why Florida is so weird, but I digress. If we thought NY was that great, we would have stayed. I was born and raised in NY and I believe the adage that it is a wonderful place to visit, but unless you are the 1%, it is not a very livable place. It has wonderful culture, walkability, and great food, but it is also expensive, dirty, CROWDED (as a child, I wanted to move to Montana for space), and really freaking rude.

      I’m sure Seattle is lovely. I don’t blame Cano one bit for taking the money and security. He has set his family for generations to come.

    • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 3:50 PM

      Yeah, he liked the rain much better!! When I lived near Seattle, I loved the fishing, outdoor life and the beauty of the area. But the rain drove me crazy and I was happy as hell when I got transferred to Greece.
      My skin smoothed out in a few months, I looked ten years younger and I was actually able to play a full game of baseball without it raining. I can understand Cano taking that job for an extra 60 million and three more years. But you would have to offer me a lot more, maybe 10X that amount for me ever to move back there. But i agree, Seattle is a nice city and that’s all it ever will be. NYC is the “CITY” or the “BIG APPLE”.
      Seattle is near the heart of apple country and all it will ever be is the core of the apple. Just look at the way they treated their basketball team. What’s their name now?? Oh, OKC!!

  11. uyf1950 - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:27 PM

    Let me understand this Rick Cerone played for the: Indians, Jays, Yankees, Braves, Brewers, Red Sox, Mets and the Expos during his career. But Cerone’s comments have made Craig come to the conclusion that it’s because the Yankees are one of the eight teams he played for that he has “no idea what it is with former New York catchers that make them so certain that everyone else on the planet is dumb,”

    • mikhelb - Jun 26, 2014 at 7:28 PM

      Its the McCann effect, when McCann was a Brave, what he did last year with Carlos Gómez was exemplary, as soon as he signed with the Yankees, Craig’s point of view changed and now he was a brat.

      • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 26, 2014 at 7:33 PM

        He will fade into a has-been soon enough and then the only time we will read a blog about him here is if he does something really stupid.

        [citation needed]

        Just to review, my take on the Braves-Brewers thing last night is that while Carlos Gomez was certainly out of line, Brian McCann and the Braves were too and that they are the ones responsible for what should have been a minor thing turning into a fight that caused punches to be thrown and a player (Aramis Ramirez) to be hurt

        http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/26/carlos-gomez-suspended-for-tonights-game/

      • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 26, 2014 at 7:34 PM

        Damnit wrong link:

        http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/26/stop-being-slaves-to-baseballs-stupid-macho-orthodoxy/

  12. mazblast - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:35 PM

    I remember once saying to a recent émigré from my long-ago native city, New York, who was being the stereotypical obnoxious everything-is-better-back-home type, “So you’re saying that if it’s not east of the Alleghenies and north of the Mason-Dixon Line, it’s not sh**?” She agreed. The onlookers had a great laugh.

    Then she called me a couple of days later, all furious. It had finally sunk in as to what I’d said and what she’d agreed with.

    I love my native city, but the insularity and myopia of those who’ve never been anywhere else or at least have spent most of their lives there constantly astounds me.

  13. barrybondsisthealltimehomerunking - Jun 26, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    I think most people who haven’t spent their entire lives on the east coast probably fill the opposite of Cerone. You would have to pay them more money to play in NY than just about anywhere else. It’s a fun place to visit but would just be an awful place to live in past about the age of 25.

  14. timmons94 - Jun 26, 2014 at 6:55 PM

    240 mill for a high average singles hitter… Yikes. That being said safeco field is awesome, Seattle is a great city. Mariners are solid. Need ackley, smoak and other youngsters to pick it up. If walker and Paxton come back soon, look out….

    • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 26, 2014 at 7:36 PM

      Averaging 76 XBH a year from ’09 to ’13 = singles hitter? In what universe?

      • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 26, 2014 at 7:37 PM

        Note, Derek Jeter, who’s going to go into the HoF for his offensive prowess (because his defense is awful), had 70 XBH once in career, and broke 60 one other time.

      • dcarroll73 - Jun 26, 2014 at 11:38 PM

        Yet again the beloved canard,”Jeter’s defense is awful.” That is pure garbage. His range has never been good, and any Yankee fan with sense has admitted that on this blog. He has also been rock-steady on almost everything in that range, and he has had a strong, accurate arm. That does not equate to bad defense.
        Cano’s offensive numbers might be better, but that is expected in a comparison of a SS and 2B. The real question is what will the last 3 years of his contract look like. I think he will be the 2B of a century if he makes that look like a better deal for the team than the Yanks’ 7-yr idea.

      • 18thstreet - Jun 27, 2014 at 10:55 AM

        The only four stats in baseball are batting average, RBIs, home runs and errors. Therefore, Cano’s not that special.

  15. denny65 - Jun 26, 2014 at 7:41 PM

    Robinson Cano is doing just fine here in a Seattle, thanks for asking.

  16. wogggs - Jun 26, 2014 at 7:45 PM

    Were the Yankees and Mariners his only two suitors? I don’t recall if other teams were involved, but I have to think he could have found a high profile team to play for besides the Yankees which is also good (Cardinals, Red Sox, Reds, Nats, Tigers)?

    • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 26, 2014 at 8:28 PM

      No one else was “confirmed”, but I’m sure other teams had inquiries. Then when they heard the Yankees set the market at 7/175, most probably backed out. when the Mariners went to 10/210, I’m sure everyone else said no thanks.

  17. stercuilus65 - Jun 26, 2014 at 8:05 PM

    More money, leave the sewer that is NY? Sounds like a win-win.

    • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 4:05 PM

      I’ll tell you what, having lived in both New
      York City and Seattle, I’ll take NYC all of the time.
      I’ll be able to see the sun at lot more often!!

  18. zinger99 - Jun 26, 2014 at 9:01 PM

    Oh yeah,who’d want to be in NYC when you could go to small town America and have some fried butter on a stick and be drunk by 10am! Not to mention all that stimulating conversation they’re all known for.

    • Reflex - Jun 27, 2014 at 3:55 AM

      I work with a guy from NYC. I get to hear his ‘stimulating conversation’ all f’ing day. Ugh. I have never met a more self absorbed guy in my life. He literally thinks we all need to know about everything he has ever seen, done or experienced all the time.

      The funny part is that I found out recently that he is complaining to his manager that there are too many non work-related conversations happening around him during the work day! I was stunned by his lack of self-awareness given that he is responsible for 90% of the non-work related conversations in any given day, and by conversations I mean him talking at anyone within earshot about something.

      BTW, the second most self absorbed guy I have ever worked with was also from NYC. Both of these guys are Yankees fans of the obnoxious sort as well.

      Disclaimer: I do not believe that all New Yorkers are jerks. I am certain there are many nice and fun people from NYC that I would enjoy spending time with. I just have yet to meet one. Small sample size rules apply.

      • indaburg - Jun 27, 2014 at 7:49 PM

        Funny. I’m a former NYer, but I was born and raised in NYC. When I was living in The City (there is only ONE), I was told many times by people not from NY: “You’re too nice to be a New Yorker.” Backhanded compliment, but I got it. There are a lot of rude, self-absorbed people from NYC. Really, we’re not all jerks. I swear.

        Disclaimer: I’ve never been a Yankees fan. Maybe that’s the common denominator.

      • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 4:09 PM

        So you’ve known two New Yorkers your entire life and are now an expert on them. Typical small town mentality!!

      • Reflex - Jun 28, 2014 at 4:41 PM

        Pretty sure I did not actually say that. Responding to what you wished I said rather than what I actually said does, however, fit into the pattern observed with the individuals I am discussing. Brad, is that you?

    • fifthstarter - Jun 27, 2014 at 3:19 PM

      That does sound exactly like Seattle, good comment.

  19. nwnation - Jun 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM

    I mean it’s not the like Mariners are doing better than the Yankees. Oh wait.They are…

    • dcarroll73 - Jun 26, 2014 at 11:47 PM

      I seem to remember a few weeks back there was another Seattle fan hooting about that until to Yanks went out and swept his team to regain the better record. I don’t really see a lot of upside for the Mariners, but if you want to believe that they will be more successful in the following decade than the Yanks, feel free. Despite the snark about the Yanks buying top players, they do seem to bet right more than not. This is a down year for them, and they are a whisker away from the wildcard and not much more from the division. How many teams in baseball could ever say that?

      • Reflex - Jun 27, 2014 at 3:59 AM

        That would be me, and I’m not a Seattle fan. I just happen to live here. As for the Yankees ‘betting right’ I think you are delusional. I can’t think of a deal that has worked out well for them in years. A-Rod’s second contract? Jeter’s contract since, say, 2007? Sabathia’s second contract? Beltran? McCann? Ellsbury? Giambi? Texiera?

        The next big contract that works out for them will be the first I can think of in a long time. It may be Tanaka, but its early yet to say for certain.

        Sure, the back end of Cano’s contract might not be great for the M’s. But how are the Yanks looking at second these days? Thought so. Meanwhile, Cano is putting up as much WAR as the big three hitters the Yanks signed. Combined. For less than half the money.

        As for the Yankees, their position within their division says more about the sudden weakness of the AL East than anything else. The AL West is probably the most powerful division in the AL right now, and the M’s are more than holding their own.

    • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 4:12 PM

      Today!! Wait until the end of the season!!

  20. howthenfcwestwaswon - Jun 26, 2014 at 9:40 PM

    Cerone is an idiot. Not everyone enjoys living in the cesspool that is NY. Not only will he make more in Seattle, he’ll get to keep more of it. As far as travel goes, it takes just as long to get to the east coast from LA as it does from Seattle. Can’t believe how stupid some people are.

    • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 4:24 PM

      Anybody that calls NYC a “cesspool” is THE total idiot, Don’t speak of places you’ve never been too.
      NYC has more glamor and entertainment on one street then Seattle has in the entire city. Plus if you travel from Seattle to NYC I’ll bet you have to make multiple stops and change planes. From LA it is a direst flight with no stops. I haven’t lived in NYC since 1959, however, I defend it against all the ignorant people who have never even visited it. Try leaving your rain soaked city and see how real people live.

  21. hbk72777 - Jun 26, 2014 at 11:28 PM

    Craig, you’re a moron and a monkey could do your job

    • nbjays - Jun 27, 2014 at 8:06 AM

      Have you submitted your resume yet?

      • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 4:26 PM

        Yes but my college degree made me over-qualified for the position>

  22. jackweho - Jun 27, 2014 at 3:11 AM

    Cerone wasn’t that much in Yankee lore, but he does make a valid point. Nobody but those in Seattle are going to follow him. Many average players have lived the good life by playing in the Big Apple, Cerone and LoDuca among them. Cano has the potential to win the triple Crown but not in Seattle. Not a home run hitters’ park and it is too easy to pitch around him. More probable he will lead the league in walks. He is hitting a solid .324 but is that what the Mariners’ fans want? I think they were hoping for a long ball and RBI man not, in essence, a singles hitter. Four home runs and the season is half over? Ten years at 240 million..he is not going to gain more power as he ages…hope the Mariners are satisfied with a singles hitter, and a lot of those are to the opposite field…they may all be in a few years, since he isn’t catching up to all the fast balls, but spraying them to left center. That is never going to produce home runs. They have messed with the dimensions at Safeco in the past couple of years…bet they do it again after this season, only this time in right center and right to help out their multi-million banjo hitter.

    • Reflex - Jun 27, 2014 at 4:17 AM

      Cano is leading the All-Star balloting with a margin that is many multiples of the entire population of Seattle. That strongly implies that people outside of Seattle are following him and his career.

      • mazblast - Jun 27, 2014 at 4:11 PM

        Or that Yankee fans, who proclaim themselves the most knowledgeable in the universe, are not universally aware that a player whose name they recognize (since they pay no attention to the mere mortals who populate other teams’ rosters until it’s “we want therefore we get” time) is no longer a YANKEE.

      • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 4:41 PM

        No, that’s from his Yankee years when he was a 30/30 man. The local newspapers here don’t even print out of town box scores. That is why I stopped subscribing to them. I love baseball, football and basketball and want to know what all the teams are doing and follow there stars. A real baseball fan will watch ANY game even minor leagues. Baseball fanatics follow only their hometown team and really know little about its history and rules. I played the game for more years than most of these bloggers have lived. Reading these blogs is totally hilarious because many of them are so dumb. No wonder this country is going to hell. Ignorance is running rampant through the streets and on the internet.

      • Reflex - Jun 28, 2014 at 4:52 PM

        1) I wasn’t aware that All Star votes carried over from one year to the next. Thanks for that bit of insight /sarcasm

        2) Thank you for confirming the earlier statements by myself and others that New Yorkers tend to be insular. The papers in Seattle, so far as I have seen, carry box scores for all teams, not only the Mariners.

        3) I’m glad we have a guardian of ‘real fandom’ in you. While I also enjoy watching even pickup baseball, I know plenty of fans who simply do not have the time to follow more than a team. Thanks for informing me of their fandom level so I can treat them with the proper level of contempt.

        4) I’m not sure why you playing for a long time means that bloggers are dumb. If you have specific criticisms, why not surface them, along with stating your credentials and evidence of those credentials. Anyone can anonymously claim the know more than anyone else. At least the bloggers here have the courage to put their credentials front and center.

        5) What is going to hell about this country? Crime rates are down, social justice is at an all time high, the economy may not be the best ever but its not far off, and aside from growing income inequality I don’t see anything but a positive trend. Define ‘going to hell’ please. I, like most, have many issues with where we are but even in aggregate they do not equate to ‘going to hell’ as an accurate description.

  23. kimbrktty - Jun 27, 2014 at 5:02 AM

    the mariners made a mistake, and its not hindsight, because alot of people were saying they made a mistake when they made the mistake. Cano is the best second baseman in mlb, but he is not a carry your team, middle of the order guy. not alone. he was paid like Miguel Cabrera, or a in his prime Albert Pujols…he is not that guy. he needs help in a lineup, infront and behind him and seattle doesn’t have it. he let jay z take him out of his comfort zone in ny simply to get more years. it was not the money the Yankees did not want to give him, it was the ten years. they offered him 6 then seven at i believe , 20+ a year, they Yankees are living with arod because they have him ten years as he declines, they’ve learned their lesson and are not doing that again. Robbie left not for more money but for three to four more years and the money that came with it. now he is stuck in baseball purgatory for the next ten years. and the mariners have a player who does not fit their ballpark and who will be in his forties when that contact expires…. it just made no sense for cano or seattle.

  24. gbart22 - Jun 27, 2014 at 5:57 AM

    I hate that New Yorkers are so self absorbed they think everyone in the world should want to be there. That it is some magical place. For some it is for some New York is the Anthesis of all cities a modern day rome but to a lot of people including the rest of the 7 billion population around the planet it’s just a city and as someone who grew up in the suburbs of that city I can say If I were to move to a city i would not choose New York personally. Not everyone wants to be there.

    • af3283 - Jun 28, 2014 at 4:47 PM

      You are correct. I would not want to live in THE CITY. However over 7 million people do. What is the population of where you live?? I’m wiling to bet it’s no where near that figure. I know your not from LA as the majority of them know there place in this country.

  25. archie2001 - Jun 27, 2014 at 7:40 AM

    Obviously this bit of “News” was not written by a sports fan, as any sports fan knows a pro with a name and a following can make 100 times more than his contract or earnings playing a sport in endorsement deals. If there is any doubt just look at the career earnings of Tiger Woods, Jack Nicklaus, Jim Palmer, Dick Butkus, John McEnroe, Bob Eucker, etc., and research what they made after their careers ended just based on their names. Even Woods, who is still playing and has earned more tournament cash than anyone in golf history, is worth $1 billion plus not from tournaments but from endorsements. Cano would have been paid $1 million more per year for the first 7 years if he had stayed with the Yankees, plus his endorsements were estimated to be many times more valuable than any deal he can get out of Seattle. Jay-Z was looking for a big pay day upfront for himself and he got it. Chhhaaaaching!!!!

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