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UPDATE: Apparently Yadier Molina is still ahead of Jonathan Lucroy in the All-Star voting

Jul 3, 2014, 11:33 AM EDT

Jonathan Lucroy Getty Getty Images

UPDATE: It seems I was reading that tweet wrong. Apparently the data MLB is tweeting there is that Lucroy has merely gotten 24% more votes than Molina in the last 24 hours, not that he has passed him overall. Alas. Stand down, Cardinals Nation. Your guy is still probably going to start the All-Star Game.

11:33 AMThe last official NL All-Star voting update had Yadier Molina ahead of Jonathan Lucroy by around 400,000 votes. But in this unofficial update, the script has been flipped:

Which, given that Lucroy has basically put up an MVP season this year is definitely a cool thing. Cardinals fans may hate it — oh, God, I expect them to be vocal and humorless about hating it — but production matters at some point.

Or, was it the negative ads? Because those work in politics, so why not other forms of voting?

  1. rcali - Jul 3, 2014 at 11:37 AM

    We’ll this isn’t going to sit well at the MLB headquarters.

    • infieldhit - Jul 3, 2014 at 12:21 PM

      I’m sure their boss is cool with it

    • tackandcover - Jul 4, 2014 at 11:55 AM

      Not going to sit well at MLB HQ? The Commish is the ex-owner of the Brewers. He’s loving this and has probably stuffed the ballot box more than once.

  2. gdobs227 - Jul 3, 2014 at 11:41 AM

    Can’t wait to see the reactions via @BestFansSTL

    • okwhitefalcon - Jul 3, 2014 at 12:26 PM

      I’m a charter member of the BFIB and couldn’t care less, good for Lucroy if he gets the start.

      • nomoreliesfortoday - Jul 3, 2014 at 1:53 PM

        You actually have a charter?

    • okwhitefalcon - Jul 3, 2014 at 5:03 PM

      Well of course we do, written in calligraphy by Peter Gammons himself and cosigned by every blogger (in chief) who continues to sarcastically perpetuate the BFIB tag we never bestowed on ourselves.

  3. chill1184 - Jul 3, 2014 at 11:42 AM

    I’m sure @BestFansStLouis will have some interesting tweets to share when the news of this gets out more

  4. tfbuckfutter - Jul 3, 2014 at 11:42 AM

    Negative ad campaigns work.

    But only if they are 100% true. Like, did you know John Kerry once shot himself to get out of the Korean War because he wanted to join the North Vietnamese parliament and eventually become president of China?

    I think I’m remembering that accurately.

    • happytwinsfan - Jul 3, 2014 at 12:01 PM

      That’s the way I remember it to.

      Did you also know that Jeter voted to raise the debt ceiling 14 times? Expect that to come out along with some grainy black and white images of him standing next to A Rod shortly before the voting finishes.

      • tfbuckfutter - Jul 3, 2014 at 12:06 PM

        I don’t care what anyone says. JETER DESERVED THOSE GOLD GLOVES.

        Didn’t you see the commercial where he threw out Jeremy Giambi on a relay at the plate in a playoff game against the A’s and then immediately made a diving catch in the stands against Boston in the very same game?

      • happytwinsfan - Jul 3, 2014 at 12:18 PM

        Yes, he did start out okay, but he has now become a captive of the special interests as sadly so many do once they taste the privileged luxuries of the corridors of power.

      • tfbuckfutter - Jul 3, 2014 at 12:27 PM

        Yeah. I don’t like how cozy he’s gotten with the Gatorade lobby.

  5. flyerboy10 - Jul 3, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    Maybe I’m just reading this wrong but doesn’t this mean that Lucroy has only gotten 24% more votes over the past 24 hr’s, not necessarily passed Molina? Because in another tweet it says Puig over Stanton (6%), but Puig was already over Stanton.

  6. infieldhit - Jul 3, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    Whomever Karl Rove has his money on, I’ll be sure not to put my money on.

    • 18thstreet - Jul 3, 2014 at 12:18 PM

      Just wait until those votes from Hamilton County come in. Then you’ll see. YOU’LL ALL SEE.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 3, 2014 at 6:49 PM

        Pete Rose is betting on it?

    • jarathen - Jul 3, 2014 at 1:15 PM

      Don’t take advice, one way or the other, from a smoked ham with glasses. Fried turkey or bust.

  7. kycardsfan - Jul 3, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    All star game revolves around offensive numbers, and offensively this season Lucroy has been the superior player. Fans that are upset by this and that ad are crazy. Everyone agrees that Yadi is the best catcher in the game, but thus far this season Lucroy has been a far better hitter.

    • blacksables - Jul 3, 2014 at 7:00 PM

      You’re not really a Cardinals fan, are you. You’re a Reds fan pretending to be a Cardinals fan.

      I can tell by the way you never say anything good about the Cardinals, and always knock them.

      True loser’s mentality from a true Red’s fan.

  8. beepbeepbeeplgb - Jul 3, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    yep craig, US CARDS FANS ARE OUTRAGED!!!! no actually i could care less. The ad was funny and obviously worked, he’s having a better season than yadi, and the brewers are having a better season than the cards. no complaints here. at least waino will be starting on the mound.

    • gdobs227 - Jul 3, 2014 at 1:07 PM

      “Couldn’t” care less. If you “could” care less, then you obviously care to some degree.

      Regardless of your personal level of care, there will undoubtedly be plenty of outrage amongst the BFIB. It’s toss up as to if there will be more weets telling Lucroy to kill himself or calling him some homosexual slur.

      • beepbeepbeeplgb - Jul 3, 2014 at 1:16 PM

        yep, I’m sure your are right. just like any other fan bases out there, we do have quite a few idiots who feel they’re words need to be heard. Unfortunately, that’s the twitter world we live in. oh and since your’re going to be the language police like a dbag, it’s TWEETS, not weets.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 3, 2014 at 8:24 PM

        I called him “Brewer.” That’s slur enough. :P

    • gdobs227 - Jul 3, 2014 at 2:50 PM

      LOL. Calling someone a dbag is very BFIB of you.

      As long as we’re still passing out corrections, it’s “their” not “they’re.”

  9. truthbomb3636 - Jul 3, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    I’m a Cards fan and I hope Yadi doesn’t start to be honest. He could use the rest.

    Yadi will still be an All Star, and Matheny can rest him or pinch hit him only during the game.

    Let Lucroy and Posey handle the innings behind the plate. I doubt there will be a ton of base stealing going on during the ASG anyway. Go with the better bats this year.

    • uwsptke - Jul 3, 2014 at 12:25 PM

      That’s exactly the type of passive-agressive response I was expecting from Cards fans. You touched on almost everything:

      - How Molina needs the rest anyways, but will still be an All-Star (because he really needed the rest during the first 3 innings as opposed to innings 4-6).
      - Back-handed compliment regarding Posey’s and Lucroy’s defensive skills by going “with the better bats this year” and “doubt there will be a ton of base stealing” implying that Lucroy isn’t the best overall catcher this year

      • stlouis1baseball - Jul 3, 2014 at 12:38 PM

        Uptight much sptke?

        Simply put…Lucroy deserves. That is all.

        Oh…and the rest doesn’t hurt. Yadier simply will NOT come out of the game. Hell…he has been known to beg and plead to play 1st base on the rare occasion he isn’t in the lineup.

        But let me be clear (and I know it hurts your narrative)…

        Lucroy has had a much better season. Lucroy deserves it.

      • truthbomb3636 - Jul 3, 2014 at 12:44 PM

        Yadi is better at throwing out runners. Lucroy and Posey are better hitters than Yadi this year.

        Are you disputing those facts?

        I mentioned this year because Yadi was better at the plate last year than Lucroy. Another fact.

        Calm down, Lucroy is deserving to start.

        You also breezed past the part where I mentioned Yadi not playing at all or only pinch hitting. Not going behind the plate any innings. In that scenario, Lucroy gets even more innings and at bats.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 3, 2014 at 6:55 PM

        That’s the incoherent defensiveness I expect from the Brew Crew.

  10. sdelmonte - Jul 3, 2014 at 12:15 PM

    I voted for Tim Howard.

    • historiophiliac - Jul 3, 2014 at 12:30 PM

      Don’t be silly. The Secretary of Defense has much more important things to do.

  11. bucketman9 - Jul 3, 2014 at 12:31 PM

    He clearly deserves it, there shouldn’t be an argument.

  12. jimmyt - Jul 3, 2014 at 12:32 PM

    Life long Cards fan and I love it. It’s funny and makes a great statement about the ASG.

  13. 5thliner - Jul 3, 2014 at 1:08 PM

    Having to decide between Yadi and Lucroy is a great problem to have so I’m fine with starting either one.

  14. cardsfan773 - Jul 3, 2014 at 1:36 PM

    Craig you hilarious troll. The link in your article shows Molina 3+ mil votes, Lucroy 2+ mil. I agree Lucroy is more deserving based on his play, and I thought the ad was very funny. Sorry to destroy your conception of all Cardinals fans being assbags.

  15. greej1938l - Jul 3, 2014 at 2:07 PM

    Lucroys better then Molina. It’s that simple

    • 5thliner - Jul 3, 2014 at 3:17 PM

      45 base runners have stolen on Lucroy. Only 17 have stolen on Molina.

      • michaeldloken - Jul 3, 2014 at 9:43 PM

        Molina is better than Lucroy at throwing out base stealers, but the Cardinal pitching staff is a lot better at holding base runners closer to the bag than most of the Brewer pitching staff. Over half of the steals against Lucroy could be blamed on the Brewer pitching staff.

  16. jstriebel - Jul 3, 2014 at 3:08 PM

    I pointed this out to Craig on Twitter, but haven’t yet gotten a response. Lucroy did not pass Molina—or at least that’s not what MLB was saying with that tweet.

    The context comes from this tweet a few moments prior:
    “MLB @MLB
    Many of the closest #ASG races have tightened in the past 24 hours of online voting, including the following trends:”

    So what they’re saying his that in the last 24 hours, Jonathan Lucroy has received 24% more votes than Yadier Molina. That’s entirely different than saying he passed Molina in total votes. And it in fact means that Lucroy has NOT passed Molina.

    And just in case, you’re not convinced: based on the most recent voting update from MLB on Monday, Molina lead Lucroy 3,100,939 to 2,636,640—464,299 votes.

    In order for Lucroy to have passed Molina in the time span since while getting 24% more votes, Lucroy would have had to get 1,119,439 votes or more. Given that Lucroy had 2,636,640 total over the span of a few months, it’s pretty unlikely that occurred.

    Basically, Lucroy had a good day, but he’s most likely a long ways from catching Molina. Somewhat shocked this post is still up.

  17. ud1951 - Jul 3, 2014 at 3:39 PM

    Cards fan here, don’t appreciate being painted with that broad brush. Personally, I don’t think Yadi is having an AS season and Lucroy definitely is. Lucroy should start and Yadi should take the days off as a nice respite from a long season. And there are other catchers having better years than Yadi, let them fill the bench. I’d be fine if only Neshek appeared in the game. He is the most truly deserving along with Wainwright, whom I would prefer rest too.

  18. disgracedfury - Jul 3, 2014 at 8:10 PM

    Both Buster Posey and Lucroy are better hitters than Molina doesn’t mean there are better catchers.Mauer and Victor Martinez were better hitters than Molina yet they aren’t at catchers anymore.

    • lotsofgrace123 - Jul 4, 2014 at 2:15 AM

      Baseball as a catcher is not all about hitting. Idiot!

  19. lotsofgrace123 - Jul 4, 2014 at 2:12 AM

    Oh poor Lu-cry crying for more votes. Creating a Molina attack campaign video didn’t work??? Molina had a good day, hitting 3 base hits to win against the Giants.

  20. gunslinger770 - Jul 4, 2014 at 12:05 PM

    I love it when amateurs that want to pass themselves off as journalists respond to their own mistakes with snarky comments and sarcasm instead of the humility one should have when they are wrong and broadcast it to the world. I, for one, will get my made-up news and commentary about things that never happened somewhere else.

  21. tfcoffee - Jul 4, 2014 at 3:16 PM

    “Cardinals fans may hate it — oh, God, I expect them to be vocal and humorless about hating it — but production matters at some point.”

    Really? Vocal and humorless about the fact that you can’t write or get your facts straight before you spew some bs? Isn’t that what you meant? I sure hope no one is paying you for this crap…….is that humorless enough for you?

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