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Cardinals “looking for offense” … not Jake Peavy

Jul 8, 2014, 7:58 PM EDT

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ESPN’s Jayson Stark and Gordon Edes reported Tuesday afternoon that the Cardinals were interested in acquiring veteran right-handed starter Jake Peavy from the last-place Red Sox, with Stark predicting that a trade could come together quickly.

But there are few baseball beat writers who are better plugged-in to the team they cover than Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and he just tweeted this

Maybe that’s some form of posturing by the Cardinals front office — a common tactic in trade talks — but it’s true that the team doesn’t really have an open rotation spot with Kelly returning Friday to face the Brewers. Carlos Martinez, a highly-touted 22-year-old right-hander, has pitched well since transitioning from a late-relief role last month, posting a 2.45 ERA with 18 strikeouts in 18 1/3 innings over his first four starts.

St. Louis ranks second in the majors in starting pitcher ERA and second-to-last in offensive runs scored.

  1. jre80 - Jul 8, 2014 at 8:14 PM

    Better make do. Not many big offensive names available that I can think of. Unless the whole tulo fiasco flames back up

    • SocraticGadfly - Jul 9, 2014 at 1:02 PM

      I want to go back to Derrick Gould:

      That does not resonate with the Cardinals who are “looking for offense” at this point and not a pitcher like Peavy, a source with knowledge of the team’s strategy said.

      The Cardinals have had an eye on the available pitchers for at least a month leading up to July and the trade deadline because they wanted to see if an upgrade for the rotation was possible, one that would create a trickle-down that also strengthened the bullpen. Their search has expanded to include starters who could also offer the team innings especially if the injuries persisted.

      There’s a bunch of stuff to unpack here.

      First, note “the source.” That could be Mo himself, speaking off the record so as not to piss off the Red Sox too much, but letting them know he knew they were peddling bull.

      Second, note the timetable of “The Cardinals have had an eye on the available pitchers for at least a month leading up to July.” Why? Because Kelly’s hamstring was taking longer to heal than expected, No. 1. No. 2, the Cards had some inkling of Wacha’s problems by mid-June, and maybe knew something about Miller’s back by then.

      Well, Kelly’s back, and Miller’s back is no worse, at least. Carlos Martinez is continuing to stretch out his innings/pitches per start. So, that last sentence, the “Their search has expanded to include starters who could also offer the team innings especially if the injuries persisted,” is pretty close to null and void. As is the vapid speculation, or manure-peddling, by Edes and Stark.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 9, 2014 at 3:23 PM

        And yet more reason to see the Sox’s self-spinning about how close a Cards deal for Peavy is as nothing more than spin, and an attempt to salary-dump? Pierzynski gets his DFA: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/09/the-red-sox-have-designated-a-j-pierzynski-for-assignment/

  2. slaugin - Jul 8, 2014 at 8:28 PM

    Maybe they are worried about kelly or Wacha’s injury coming back and want to give them a rest down the stretch. A 6 man rotation wouldn’t be a terrible idea to keep the arms rested

    • SocraticGadfly - Jul 8, 2014 at 8:40 PM

      Marco Gonzales, Fortunato and Greenwood can fill in as necessary. Besides, for better or for worse, and probably more of the latter than the former, Lyons has been called back up. Peavy would be like a 7th wheel.

      • paperlions - Jul 8, 2014 at 11:58 PM

        Fornataro can’t fill anything. He’s been mostly a disaster this year, walking more guys in AAA than he is striking out, but more importantly, he’s not a starter.

        Greenwood is not and has never been a starting pitcher. He’s never averaged more than 4 IP per appearance anywhere in the minors and has been averaging far less than that for years.

        Beyond Gonzalez, Lyons and Cooney are the next best options…and after that, it just gets ugly.

      • twinfan24 - Jul 9, 2014 at 12:01 AM

        Woe to the Cardinals that it may get ugly after their 9th or 10th option for a starting pitcher.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM

        Well, the main point it, differing opinions of Lyons aside, is that we’re not at that point. With Kelly’s return, the Cards’ rotation is Waino/Miller/Lynn/Martinez/Kelly and all are better options, bird in hand, than Jake Peavy.

      • led65 - Jul 9, 2014 at 1:20 PM

        There is always Cooney. He was considered when Marco was called up, but since he just pitched he wasn’t available for the start. They can always skip his turn in AAA if we need an extra arm.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 9, 2014 at 3:25 PM

        @Led .. yes, I’d agree on that, should it be needed. That reinforces that the Cards have plenty of options not named Peavy.

    • led65 - Jul 9, 2014 at 4:14 PM

      Yes I feel fine with our rotation. Honestly I would only want us to add a bat or two to the bench. Bourjos, Descalso and Ellis aren’t going to cut it. I like Wong and think he will be fine he’s starting to swing better since his shoulder isn’t bothering him. It would be a mistake to sacrifice the prospects required to get a starting 2b or 3b to have him sit and not let him develop and grow. If we are going deep in the playoffs it will come down to our expensive vets playing up to their contract value. That means Craig, peralta and Holliday need to step up. Not saying Holliday isn’t doing well, but he isn’t playing like he makes 17 million a year. If they start swinging and Oscar and Wong keep improving this team will be championship caliber. If those three keep playing like they have been not even Stanton could save our offense.

  3. tfbuckfutter - Jul 8, 2014 at 8:58 PM

    How about Peavy and Stephen Drew?

    • raynman49 - Jul 8, 2014 at 9:09 PM

      No, no, not our Savior Mr. Drew. Well, o.k., but the Cards have to send 2 boxes of balls in return, not just one.

    • SocraticGadfly - Jul 8, 2014 at 10:10 PM

      I just threw up in my mouth. That said, Drew isn’t doing much worse than the other midyear graduate of the Borass Baseball Academy, is he? For what he’s doing, hell, the Cards could have already traded them Kozma.

      • sabatimus - Jul 8, 2014 at 11:08 PM

        At this point, Peavy and Drew together are worth perhaps a 5th round pick. Just DFA Drew, eat the $10.1 prorated million, and let Bogaerts play SS like he wants. Borass is right.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 9, 2014 at 3:36 PM

        Maybe Drew can play 3rd-string catcher now that AJ is gone?

    • Ayase - Jul 9, 2014 at 6:33 AM

      What about them?

    • led65 - Jul 9, 2014 at 4:22 PM

      As long as they are 1) free and 2) play for our AA team. I wouldn’t want either of them in st louis

  4. proudlycanadian - Jul 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

    I find it difficult to believe stories that are being floated by ESPN; furthermore, Lester is the only Boston pitcher that would help St. Louis.

    • SocraticGadfly - Jul 8, 2014 at 10:16 PM

      Well, the Post-Dispatch had a story up, but, it started with, essentially, “ESPN is reporting … ”

      Otherwise, yep. Not a peep about this out of, say Rosenthal. It’s prolly more ESPN hot air mixed with a BoSox trial balloon to see what fish bite.

      That said, teh Twitter claims the Braves and Brewers are also kicking the Peavy tires.

      • led65 - Jul 9, 2014 at 4:24 PM

        Please go to the brewers lol that would help the cards out tremendously with peavy losing games for the brewers

    • sabatimus - Jul 8, 2014 at 11:10 PM

      I’m betting Lester has a stellar rest of the season and then walks. His “I don’t want to discuss contracts until the end of the season” pretty much says that. That and there’s something seriously wrong with the Sox.

  5. drewzducks - Jul 8, 2014 at 11:42 PM

    If they’re looking for offense, who’s performance has been more offensive than Jake Peavy’s?

    • missingdiz - Jul 9, 2014 at 1:17 AM

      Hear, hear. The way Peavy has been pitching this year wouldn’t help at all. The young guys have been doing as well, and maybe they can learn to do better. At this stage Peavy is not likely to do better.

    • Ayase - Jul 9, 2014 at 6:56 AM

      Hardly a question…

    • theskinsman - Jul 9, 2014 at 9:28 AM

      Watched a couple Cards games…and Peavy just might improve their offense.

  6. stex52 - Jul 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    Holliday’s OPS is down about 130 points.
    Ditto Craig.
    Carpenter’s is down over 100 points.
    Ditto Molina.

    Matt Adams is hitting well, but then he tends to sit for the lefties with nasty platoon splits.
    Between Jay and Bourjos, CF has been a more or less black hole for production.

    I jumped on the bandwagon yesterday about maybe picking up a pitcher. But on careful consideration, the direction they need to go is obvious. Some of these guys had career years last year (Molina, Carpenter), but maybe it will tend to correct a bit after the All Star break. But hitting is what they need.

    • SocraticGadfly - Jul 9, 2014 at 11:20 AM

      Actually, Adams has been playing more against lefties, and his last HR was against one.

      Agreed that some people will come back up a bit after the All-Star break. Craig? Maybe, maybe not. Holliday? More and more, not likely. Now, his contract’s not nearly a Pujols-level albatross, but he’s on the books for $17M per through 2016. And, if the slide continues, that will be $17M per year of below-average play starting next year. B-Ref, going by WAA, says that, with defense included, he’s below league average right now.

      • stex52 - Jul 9, 2014 at 11:46 AM

        Yeah Adams is playing more against lefties with a bit more luck. And his power was AWOL before the DL stint, but he has been on a tear lately. But I would still qualify batting against lefites as something that needs improvement.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 9, 2014 at 1:04 PM

        Oh, agreed. That said, this is just his second full year in the league. I’ll still take him over a lot of 1B.

    • brucewayne3561 - Jul 9, 2014 at 10:12 PM

      How can u say Carpenter had a career year last year? That’s absurd! It was his FIRST full year of starting! He’s got plenty of years left to get better! Your comment didn’t make much sense at all! If Jay was playing full time again, he’s be doing a lot better !

      • grizz2202 - Jul 10, 2014 at 8:44 AM

        Are you serious? MC is 28, will be 29 in November. He had 199 hits last year. Set at least a franchise record for doubles in a pretty decent and old franchise.

        To suggest that over the next 5-6 years he will match or even best those numbers is ridiculous at best.

        I lovvvvvve me some Matt Carpenter, but those numbers were career numbers that he will probably never see again.

  7. patbryan714 - Jul 10, 2014 at 3:17 AM

    Craig is struggling, and needs to be strictly a late bat off the bench. Taveras, Jay& Wong need to play everyday, no matter what, and they will.only get better. If Kelly comes back even close to the pitcher that he was, and Wacha comes back after the AS break, this will be the team to beat in the Central, AGAIN! They could use another veteran bat, but this team cannot be counted out. They are just now starting to play ball. Martinez is a better SP than Garcia, so no big loss there. Staying healthy will be their main thing to hope for, and keeping SUGAR SHANE ( shower caddy) ROBINSON in Memphis will be too!

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