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Cardinals reportedly making a strong push to acquire Jake Peavy from Red Sox

Jul 8, 2014, 1:53 PM EDT

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Gordon Edes of ESPN Boston and Jayson Stark of ESPN.com are both reporting that the Cardinals are talking to the Red Sox about veteran starter Jake Peavy, and according to Stark a deal “could happen quick.”

It seems like a sensible fit, as the Cardinals need rotation help with Michael Wacha and Jaime Garcia injured and the last-place Red Sox could be looking to sell off expensive veterans.

Peavy is owed about $7 million for the remainder of this season as part of a two-year, $29 million contract signed last offseason. He’s struggled this year with a 4.64 ERA in 18 starts and has a combined 4.41 ERA in 28 starts for the Red Sox dating back to last season, managing just 6.6 strikeouts per nine innings after a career of racking up tons of missed bats.

His average fastball velocity has also dipped below 90 miles per hour, so at age 33–and considering how poorly he’s pitched of late–Peavy may be little more than a salary dump for the Red Sox.

  1. koufaxmitzvah - Jul 8, 2014 at 1:55 PM

    The Red Sox tend to take a lot of salary dumps. Maybe they should have that checked out.

    • carpi2 - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:25 PM

      Isn’t that one of the listed side effects from taking Lunesta? “If you experience frequent salary dumps, contact your doctor. This may be a sign of severe complications.”

    • sophiethegreatdane - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:28 PM

      That’s a crappy joke.

    • gibbyfan - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:43 PM

      well that’s one dump that I hope isn’t taken on the Cardinals…….unless the Sox throw in something else just to get rid of him…

      • sportsfan18 - Jul 8, 2014 at 5:44 PM

        If I were the Cards, I’d only take him if the Sox and the Cards split the remaining salary 50 – 50.

        The Sox are in last place and would still be saving $3.5 million and they could try out a kid from the minors to see how he does in the bigs since they are not playing for anything.

        why, in a lost season should they flush another $7 million down the drain? he isn’t signed beyond this season and he won’t be resigned.

        season is basically over so be glad another team wants him, save multiple millions and get a kid some experience in the show… to see if he’ll help you next season when you’re playing meaningful games again.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 8, 2014 at 10:33 PM

        The Post-Dispatch has a story up, but, it started with, essentially, “ESPN is reporting … ”

        Otherwise, yep. Not a peep about this out of, say Rosenthal. It’s prolly more ESPN hot air mixed with a BoSox trial balloon to see what fish bite.

        That said, teh Twitter claims the Braves and Brewers are also kicking the Peavy tires.

        Fine, let one of them be that stupid.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 9, 2014 at 1:05 PM

        I want to go back to Derrick Gould:

        That does not resonate with the Cardinals who are “looking for offense” at this point and not a pitcher like Peavy, a source with knowledge of the team’s strategy said.

        The Cardinals have had an eye on the available pitchers for at least a month leading up to July and the trade deadline because they wanted to see if an upgrade for the rotation was possible, one that would create a trickle-down that also strengthened the bullpen. Their search has expanded to include starters who could also offer the team innings especially if the injuries persisted.

        There’s a bunch of stuff to unpack here.

        First, note “the source.” That could be Mo himself, speaking off the record so as not to piss off the Red Sox too much, but letting them know he knew they were peddling bull.

        Second, note the timetable of “The Cardinals have had an eye on the available pitchers for at least a month leading up to July.” Why? Because Kelly’s hamstring was taking longer to heal than expected, No. 1. No. 2, the Cards had some inkling of Wacha’s problems by mid-June, and maybe knew something about Miller’s back by then.

        Well, Kelly’s back, and Miller’s back is no worse, at least. Carlos Martinez is continuing to stretch out his innings/pitches per start. So, that last sentence, the “Their search has expanded to include starters who could also offer the team innings especially if the injuries persisted,” is pretty close to null and void. As is the vapid speculation, or manure-peddling, by Edes and Stark.

        http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cards-have-interest-in-adding-offense-not-peavy/article_580fa436-45a3-5da3-ab9e-2b06a94fe661.html

    • drewzducks - Jul 8, 2014 at 3:30 PM

      Magic and his “baseball people” are always looking to get shat upon. LA would be a perfect destination.

      • kingscourt25 - Jul 8, 2014 at 6:00 PM

        The Dodgers are 33 games over .500 since making that trade. In comparison, they were 22 games under from 2010 to Aug of 2012.

    • SocraticGadfly - Jul 8, 2014 at 3:49 PM

      I have a great reverse salary dump offer, if he’d waive his no-trade: Holliday for Peavy. Longer-term, it’s smart for the Cards indeed, in my book: http://socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2014/07/cardinals-trade-rumors-flying-jake.html

    • SocraticGadfly - Jul 9, 2014 at 3:38 PM

      And yet more reason to see the Sox’s self-spinning about how close a Cards deal for Peavy is as nothing more than spin, and an attempt to salary-dump? Pierzynski gets his DFA: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/09/the-red-sox-have-designated-a-j-pierzynski-for-assignment/

  2. pisano - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:11 PM

    I really don’t think the Cardinals will have to twist the Red Sox arm to get Peavy, also I’ve read where they could also be looking to deal John( no upper lip) Lackey, but that one could just be rumor. The trade the deadline is near, so the contenders will be looking to raid the pretenders for some help.

    • tfbuckfutter - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:29 PM

      There’s no reason for them not to dump Peavy and Lackey.

      And unless they can lock Lester up to a reasonable deal they should move him too.

      As long as they can get solid prospects all those guys are likely to be gone anyway. They need to sell.

      • Caught Looking - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:48 PM

        Lackey has value as next year is at the MLB minimum, although he has threatened to retire if he’s pitching for minimum

      • tfbuckfutter - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:51 PM

        Precisely.

        And if that option goes with him it makes him an even more valuable chip.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 8, 2014 at 3:47 PM

        I’m assuming Lackey is serious, or semi-serious about the retirement threat. He’s pitching better than Peavy, but I see him as pure rent-a-player for those reasons.

  3. 18thstreet - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:12 PM

    Are they aware they don’t have to push very hard? Sox fans are willing to chip in to make this work.

  4. stex52 - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:16 PM

    The two big curses on any team:

    1. “Hey guys, we’re on the cover of Sports Illustrated! They say we’ll win it all!”

    2. ” We’re not looking for any starting pitching this year. We have plenty.”

    #2 is the greatest injury magnet in all of sports.

  5. kycardsfan - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:17 PM

    From what I’ve read on twitter it appears a deal is being centered around Peavy and Craig. Not sure what to think about that.

    • stex52 - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:22 PM

      If you assume Taveras is for real and Adams can actually learn to be decent against lefties, then Craig becomes much more optional (especially with some more of the talent down on the farm). It might be good for him.

      • kycardsfan - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:26 PM

        I just feel like a swap for Peavy would be a win for Boston. Peavy isn’t what he used to be. Craig is having a bad 1st half but he has more value than that. If the redsox were to add Middlebrooks I would be more on board. He seems to have fallen out of favor and could add some pop at third and off the bench

      • bfunk1978 - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:31 PM

        He really can’t play right field. He’s made some nice-looking catches that would have been routine if he was able to run. As a 1B Craig is nice if his bat comes back around, but Adams is particularly monstrous since his DL stint. I agree he’s a nice option but shoudl not be played every day like he has been.

      • stex52 - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:33 PM

        Middlebrooks has a BA of .197 and OPS of .629. I wouldn’t consider a short stop with those numbers, much less a mediocre third baseman. Plus, he has developed a bit of a reputation for knowing more than his coaches.

        Without some clear evidence of a change in him (Or an ability to hit for more than a month at a time) I would have to regard him as a high risk project at best.

      • kycardsfan - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:37 PM

        Middlebrooks is a young player with loads of potential. Maybe getting out of Boston would do that kid some good.

      • stex52 - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:48 PM

        I will concede that he has reached the point where a change of scenery is necessary. And he may have learned something through all of it. But it is still a high risk project. He maintains the big hole in his swing.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:49 PM

        I wouldn’t do a Peavy-Craig straight up. Boston’s got to eat a chunk of money or throw somebody else in. And I don’t want Lackey if he’s serious about his threat to retire rather than play on the league min. vesting option next year.

      • stex52 - Jul 8, 2014 at 5:48 PM

        Is it the worst idea in the world to have Lackey as a rent-a-player? Cards have loads of young pitching talent just developing. Right now you are just worried about hanging in there for this year.

        Take him as part of the deal. Get to the playoffs. Let him walk or renegotiate.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 8, 2014 at 6:05 PM

        @Stex: Lackey as a rent-a-player? No, not bad at all, as long as that’s what Boston’s expecting, and getting paid, in trade. If they’re expecting to get in trade a Lackey who’s guaranteed to honor that team option year, with what he has said, then hell no.

    • bfunk1978 - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:30 PM

      I would leap for joy, personally. Craig is maddening and probably has a chronic lower-leg issue since the Cardinals didn’t handle his knee problems right away.

  6. kylewo - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:39 PM

    Why? Signed a Cardinals fan. He isn’t better than what the Cardinals have. Any 4A player can pitch to a 5 FIP.

    • bfunk1978 - Jul 8, 2014 at 3:01 PM

      But that’s just it – the guy they most recently asked to do it (Marco Gonzalez) couldn’t.

      • paperlions - Jul 8, 2014 at 6:02 PM

        The only reason they asked him to do so was because everyone else is hurt. Now Kelly is coming back and so is Lyons….each of who are better than the Peavy has been over the last 5 years.

      • bfunk1978 - Jul 9, 2014 at 9:11 AM

        Oh I agree that they were in a bad spot. Lyons is back but has been relegated to the bullpen. He won’t be starting over Martinez, Kelly, Wainwright, Lynn, or Miller. Honestly, Peavy shouldn’t start over any of those guys either.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 8, 2014 at 6:22 PM

        Well, Kelly is. Don’t think I’d say that about Lyons.

      • paperlions - Jul 8, 2014 at 7:53 PM

        I know you wouldn’t, but there are a lot of reasonable things you wouldn’t say.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 8, 2014 at 8:35 PM

        Considering Lyons’ ERA+ is worse than Peavy’s, and FIP isn’t much better, and he’s in the National League, Lyons is no better than Peavy *of this year* and certainly worse than Peavy of the last 5 years.

        So, I said a very reasonable thing.

        Next time I don’t, I won’t be looking for you to be the one informing me that I didn’t.

      • paperlions - Jul 9, 2014 at 12:01 AM

        Yeah, 25 IP, that’s a useful sample size.

        Peavy is a bad pitcher. He’s be above average exactly once since 2009. He’s old and getting worse. He can’t hit 90 mph any more and doesn’t have the movement he used to have.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 9, 2014 at 11:40 AM

        I’ve also got Lyons’ 53 IP last year, the fact that he regressed this year, etc. And, no, I don’t excuse all of that regression with the shoulder strain that sent him to the DL.

        Continue your overestimation of Lyons, but don’t expect me to agree with it.

        As for Peavy, even if ASG invites are overestimated, his 2012 was good enough to get him there. And, last I checked, 2012 was three years later than 2009. And within the last five years.

        Have a nice day.

    • 18thstreet - Jul 8, 2014 at 3:21 PM

      Don’t imagine that those guys are always available. If the Red Sox had a guy merely as bad as Jake Peavy in their rotation, they wouldn’t have collapsed in 2011. If BFunk is correct, then the Cardinals should make that trade, and then leave Peavy off the playoff roster.

  7. stlbirds21 - Jul 8, 2014 at 3:02 PM

    As a Cardinals fan, I think trading Craig for Peavy is a bad idea. Here are my two ideas for trade proposals.

    Cards trade Allen Craig, Carlos Martinez and Girchuk for David Price

    Cards trade Peter Bourjos and Seth Manness for Joaquin Beniot.

    • SocraticGadfly - Jul 8, 2014 at 3:45 PM

      The Rays don’t want a 1B; Loney is signed through 2016 cheaper than Craig and they’re not putting him in the OF. Their DH is signed through next year cheaper than Craig. they’re holding out for at least Grichuk plus 2 pitchers

    • stlouis1baseball - Jul 8, 2014 at 4:09 PM

      No way I would even consider a deal (any deal) that involves Carlos.
      And trading Craig for Peavy straight up is a terrible idea.
      Not sure what to do. I would rather break the bank on Tulo than contemplate trading Carlos.

      • 5thliner - Jul 8, 2014 at 6:33 PM

        Tulo is hitting well below .300 at away stadiums.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jul 9, 2014 at 9:39 AM

        His splits have always been horrible.

      • gibbyfan - Jul 8, 2014 at 6:55 PM

        Tulo wouldn’t be a priority—JP is playing better than expected defense and gives them some pop at short. I was against that deal when it happened but looks pretty good now.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jul 9, 2014 at 9:39 AM

        I hear you. I also didn’t say they should do it. I said I would rather them break the bank on Tulo than trade Carlos.

  8. lukedunphysscienceproject - Jul 8, 2014 at 3:12 PM

    You wouldn’t think they would have to push that strongly.

  9. kycardsfan - Jul 8, 2014 at 4:08 PM

    Apparently Grichuck has been scratched from the Memphis lineup. Make of that what you will.

    • paperlions - Jul 8, 2014 at 6:04 PM

      It’s not clear if he was scratched or just isn’t starting today, they are trying to get PT for more than three OFers in Memphis, no one starts everyday there.

  10. jaywp388 - Jul 9, 2014 at 9:33 PM

    peavy had HORRIBLE luck this year and was mainly a victim to probably the lowest run support for any pitcher in the majors and horrible defence behind him.ntill recently his era was respectably in the 3s untill it jumped up over the past 3 or 4 starts a change if scenery would do him wonders and the lacking NL would be the best place for him….his fast ball has dipped butt he learned to be creative last year when no one noticed the flaw

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