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Adam Wainwright may be the NL starter in the All-Star Game

Jul 14, 2014, 8:55 AM EDT

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We’ll know who the All-Star Game starting pitchers are, at the latest, early this afternoon when the managers meet the press. But there is some suggestion that Mike Matheny may call his own guy’s number and have Adam Wainwright make the start.

Rick Hummel reports that Matheny and Wainwright are both saying things which suggest that Wainwright is ready to go. He pitched on Saturday, is feeling good, Tuesday is the day he’d throw a side session, etc. He also suggests that Matheny has already made his decision and told Wainwright about it even if it isn’t public and that Wainwright offered a coy smile about it.

Of course, Clayton Kershaw is the better pitcher and he hasn’t pitched since Thursday. So perhaps there is still time for Matheny to change his mind and make, you know, the better choice.

  1. gostlcards5 - Jul 14, 2014 at 9:13 AM

    Wainwright has been VERY good this year, and is honestly the only SP in the NL that I would not have a problem seeing as the starter other than Kershaw. That being said, Kershaw is having the better year, and with the longer rest time in front of the game, definitely is the guy who should get the start.

    • NatsLady - Jul 14, 2014 at 9:16 AM

      Wainwright is good, but Kershaw is MUST WATCH, even if it’s only a couple of innings. Does Matheny understand why MLB has this event?

      • fearlessleader - Jul 14, 2014 at 9:28 AM

        If I were in charge, I’d probably go with Kershaw. But this comment and this post seem to suggest that the gulf between him and Wainwright is enormous and obvious to anyone who isn’t a total moron, when in fact the single most glaring difference between their stats this year is that Wainwright has maintained his numbers over 42 more innings than Kershaw has.

      • paperlions - Jul 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM

        Does the game end after 2 innings? Do they stop the broadcast or do people stop watching? They don’t? People will still be able to watch Kershaw pitch an inning or 2 even if he doesn’t start? Well, that’s crazy. Who’d have thunk it?

        Really, who cares who starts the game? This is the same kind of “honor” as being a first ballot HOFer, it is a distinction without a difference.

      • kershawbestever - Jul 15, 2014 at 6:26 AM

        Maintained it for 42 more IP? REALLY? LOL Kershaw has gone 420 innings now with an ERA under 1.83. Wainwright had only done it for 138. MANY pitchers over the last decade have done it for 138 IP. How many for 420? Oh that’s right, only Kershaw. Only 3 or 4 starters have gone as long as Kershaw over the last 30 years. Scary part is Kershaw now has a 10-1 K/BB ratio ever since his slider went from 85 mph to 87 mph (this year). All signs point towards Kershaw hitting 700 to 800 innings. But I guess we should be impressed by Wainwrights 138 IP LOL, Get real dude. Greinke said it best “you try and compete with Kershaw you will just get your feelings hurt”

  2. pikedebbie - Jul 14, 2014 at 9:32 AM

    We have this event to reward the best players. Kershaw and Wainwright are about statistically equal, except in one meaningful way. Wainwright has sustained that high level of performance for more innings, making him deserving of the start. If the Dodgers want to make the starting pitcher decision, then they should win the pennant.

    • rickwenthe - Jul 15, 2014 at 12:47 AM

      What all of you miss is that is the fortunes of war, We made it to the WS you didn’t! If you were Matheny and you didn’t choose your stud then you have bad feelings on the team! You only pitch 1 to 2 innings so what is the big deal! Do you think Jeter has the #’s to start but he will that is why Yadi would have Started in front of Lucroy! I remember Willie Mays playing For the Mets even but he deserved to play! If you would have won the NLCS you could have started Kershaw Definitly the best pitcher in baseball! Even if Wanio had better Ststs Your manager would Start Kershaw! The way baseball is played, I think Rosenthal the leader in th NL in saves should have been choose! I understand how baseball is played you should have won the NLCS, but choked again! 330 million doesn’t buy you a winner!

  3. begemann44 - Jul 14, 2014 at 9:37 AM

    How do you figure guys? Waino def deserves to start. He has 42 more innings pitched than Kershaw. That being said Waino also only .05 points behind Kershaw in ERA. He is the heart and soul of the red birds pitching staff. He deserves the start. Kershaw will pitch in the game. Chill out

    • capybara99 - Jul 14, 2014 at 6:40 PM

      Wainwright is deserving, though they look less close if you look at their stats since the last All-star game, rather than simply the first half of 2014.

      Wainright: 2014: ERA 1.83 WHIP 0.91 IP: 138; 2013 (post-All-Star): ERA 3.69. IP 95.
      Kershaw: 2014: ERA 1.78 WHIP 0.83 IP 96.1; 2013 (post-All-Star): ERA 1.59 IP 90.2

      Kershaw also looks better than the very good Wainwright if you compare the last two months.

      Wainwright ERA: June: 1.11 July 0.83 7 GS
      Kershaw ERA: June: 0.82 July 0.53 8 GS.

      So if you look at the past year, Kershaw is significantly a little better, and the same is true if you look at the past two months. The only way to slice things to see Wainwright as better (due to more IP) is if you look only at the pre-All Star stats for 2014. Personally I like to look at the previous 12 months, because I think it silly not to count half the year in considering who has given an All Star performance. Because of that, and because Kershaw has never started, I’d name him as starter. But if I managed the Cards, I’d choose Wainwright.

  4. beepbeepbeeplgb - Jul 14, 2014 at 9:42 AM

    they are both equally deserving to start. as a cards fan i wouldn’t care the slightest bit if kershaw started but matheny has to go with his guy. one of the perks of going to the world series.

  5. hittfamily - Jul 14, 2014 at 9:46 AM

    The favoritism of managers is disgraceful With the Sawx getting to pick this year’s all stars, the Rays go unrepresented. They have 3 of the top 21 position players in the AL, but what’s that matter?

    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=al&qual=0&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=&age=&filter=&players=

    And the 3rd best reliever:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=al&qual=y&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

    • paperlions - Jul 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM

      You do realize that the manager actually picks very few players, right?

      The fans have their say, 8 NL starters and 9 AL starters, plus the final vote players.

      The players have their say, 8 pitchers and a backup for each position.

      That is already 25 and 26 of the 34 total players. Then, the managers gets to make selections (9 for the NL and 8 for the AL), but have to account for teams without representatives and also fill possible roster needs for flexibility.

      Feel free to heap blame on the fans and players as well, they didn’t even have any constraints on their selections.

      • hittfamily - Jul 14, 2014 at 1:37 PM

        The manager chooses the replacements as well. Wieters, Encarnacion, Gordon, Martinez, Price, and Tanaka will not be playing. So far, by my count, he chose 8, then 6 more. No room for a single Ray? Boy this game’s going to be a lot of fun for us TB fans. Go….Scott Kazmir?

  6. acdc84 - Jul 14, 2014 at 9:47 AM

    Dodger fan here… Both pitchers are just having spectacular years. If its anyone else managing I’d say flip a coin, but Matheny has to go with his own guy right? There has to be some perks to being the manager…

  7. cardslifer - Jul 14, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    I couldn’t agree more. Kershaw is a better pitcher, period, but Waino has had a pretty good year as well.

    I’d say probably 85% of NL managers would pick Kershaw to start, but Matheny is the one who gets the say.

    I could care less who starts because both of them are going to pitch in the game.

    And there’s no reason to throw a hissy fit about who starts between the two. There is a difference in the players, but the margin is minimal as far as their numbers this year.

    • rocoop - Jul 14, 2014 at 1:10 PM

      All managers but Matheny would pick Kershaw….Period

      • fearlessleader - Jul 14, 2014 at 1:19 PM

        All managers but Matheny didn’t win the pennant last year, so they don’t get to pick.

        (Sorry—hanging out with trolls this morning is turning me into one.)

  8. tridecagon - Jul 14, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    They’ll both pitch. Wainwright as the starter makes total sense. This story is not a story.

  9. Bob Loblaw - Jul 14, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    “Of course, Clayton Kershaw is the better pitcher and he hasn’t pitched since Thursday. So perhaps there is still time for Matheny to change his mind and make, you know, the better choice.”

    Looks like somebody drank a little too much of the Dodger-blue kool-aid this morning.

    • beepbeepbeeplgb - Jul 14, 2014 at 10:33 AM

      love the username! lol. n yes, that would just be Craig trying to troll cards fans anyway he can. he never misses an opportunity.

  10. bfunk1978 - Jul 14, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    It’s definitely a coin flip other than the innings thing. I would not be surprised if the CY award came down to innings. If Wainwright misses a couple starts or hits a rough patch while Kershaw continues to dominate, then all bets are off, but right now neither of them look like they’re going to let off. Having two viable ASG starters is awesome because that means we get to watch two really amazing pitchers in the NL all year long.

  11. wilmyers09 - Jul 14, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    i smell biased

  12. stlbirds21 - Jul 14, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    Kershaw may have a lower era but also has 30 IP less than wainwrights and his era is a few ticks higher. Either pitcher is a good pick but waino has had a better season.

  13. ddmcd1974 - Jul 14, 2014 at 11:37 AM

    Are you people joking? The stats aren’t all the same but runs. Clayton’s K ability is 10x that of Wainwright at this moment in time. Last 3 games combined Waino has what 4 strikeouts. Kershaw has that in each game by the 3rd inning. K rate is obviously not important in terms of winning but as some said this is the all star game, we want K’s and homers not dink and dunk ground balls. Kershaw at this time is much more feared than Waino. Get a grip you card fans.

    • bfunk1978 - Jul 14, 2014 at 11:41 AM

      10x? So Kershaw is striking out 80 guys a game?

  14. stlouis1baseball - Jul 14, 2014 at 11:38 AM

    Wow. Some people really do make things easy on a guy.
    C.C. is trolling you with the last two sentences. Do not bite.

    • fearlessleader - Jul 14, 2014 at 12:10 PM

      Yeah, Craig’s also on Twitter claiming that Cardinal fans are “acting like it’s blasphemy” and “losing it” on this post. Oddly enough, I’m not seeing those comments.

      Tiresome. Personally, I think both pitchers are fantastic—Kershaw’s been better lately, while Wainwright’s dominated for more of the season—and my rooting interest in seeing Wainwright start mostly evaporated when Yadi was lost as his potential battery-mate. Now, I just want him not to get hurt.

      • paperlions - Jul 14, 2014 at 12:23 PM

        It is always my preference that no Cardinals play in the ASG. I just don’t care about such honors when they team is competitive. I want to see WS victories….when the teams sucks, then yeah, I’ll cling to things like post-season awards or the ASG for validation of players….but not when the team is good.

      • fearlessleader - Jul 14, 2014 at 12:28 PM

        Truthfully, Paper, I’d be thrilled to scrap the All-Star game entirely, but my internet persona is already too curmudgeonly as it is.

      • beepbeepbeeplgb - Jul 14, 2014 at 12:38 PM

        lol i just looked at his twitter because i was curious, he tweeted 3 things in a row about this subject pretty much arguing with himself. even on twitter, i only saw a few cards fans comment negatively.

      • paperlions - Jul 14, 2014 at 1:05 PM

        To clarify, I am not saying that no one should care about ASGs, who starts them, who plays, who wins ROY, CY, or MVP awards….just that on my personal scale of things in baseball I care about, those things are pretty low right now.

  15. jrod2go - Jul 14, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    I appreciate the articles that show a pic of Craig so I know not to waste my time. Mmmehhh..Grumpy Old Craig…mmmmehhh

  16. cohnjusack - Jul 14, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    Wainwright has a better ERA+ and has thrown 42 more innings. He is a perfectly fine choice.

    • stex52 - Jul 14, 2014 at 1:14 PM

      There is not a wrong choice between the two. Cueto’s insane first half aside, these two guys are at another level. I will not be surprised at all if Kershaw gets the Cy Young. But at this point in the season Wainwright is five starts up. As a percentage of total games pitched that is a lot. If they both stay healthy that difference will become smaller as the season goes on.

      If anything, I agree with Paper. If I were a Dodger of Cards fan, I would prefer my pitcher was resting.

  17. ddmcd1974 - Jul 14, 2014 at 1:32 PM

    Last 3/4 games Waino averaged 1.+ K’s and Kershaw over 11 so yes it’s 10x what Waino averages.

  18. mrbuttnuts - Jul 15, 2014 at 6:05 PM

    Craig, where are all of these absurd cardinals exclamations that you tweeted three times about?

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