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The Phillies are telling teams Cole Hamels is not available

Jul 22, 2014, 8:55 AM EST

The Phillies are going nowhere and need to rebuild and Cole Hamels is one of the best lefties around. That would normally amount to serious trade talks, but nope:

I dunno. On the one hand you could probably get an awful lot for Hamels given the demand for frontline pitching. The Phillies could use a top position prospect to kickstart the rebuild and Hamels could probably get it for them. On the other hand, Hamels is still in the first half of a six-year, $144 million contract extension he signed in late July 2012. It’s not crazy to think that, if the Phillies can somehow rebuild quickly, Hamels could still contribute to the next good Phillies team while that deal is still going on.

I just don’t know how you can rebuild quickly without him.

  1. chew1985 - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:04 AM

    A competent GM could rebuild quickly without Hamels going out the door. There is plenty of other seasoned red meat the Phillies can offer right now; but with Captain Amaro at the helm, the only thing in sight for us Phillie fans is a very large iceberg.

    • ewyorksockexchange - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:28 AM

      What “seasoned red meat” are you talking about? No one can bring back the real blue chip prospects to kick start a rebuild like Hamels can.

      • kevinbnyc - Jul 22, 2014 at 1:17 PM

        Ryan Howard? John Mayberry Jr.? Antonio Bastardo?? Come on man, there’s a ton of trade bait on that Phillies roster.

    • paperlions - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:51 AM

      Like who?

      Byrd is really the only guy that might be worth more than his contract. They’ll have to eat a lot of money to get anything useful for Lee. Howard is untradeable. Utley and Rollins don’t seem too interested in leaving and can reject any deal. What else is there?

      The farm system isn’t really in great shape. Every year the FA market is thinner and thinner. A rebuild of an organization with the kind of talent Philly currently has in the majors and minors will take longer the the length of Hamels’ contract.

    • chew1985 - Jul 22, 2014 at 1:33 PM

      Lee, Utley, Byrd, Burnett.

      • ewyorksockexchange - Jul 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM

        Cliff Lee, who is making 25-27.5 million for the next two seasons and coming off of a stint on the 60 day DL for elbow issues.

        Utley, who has degenerative knees and whose stats have been nosediving since the beginning of the year. Not to mention that he said he would veto a trade.

        Byrd, who while performing ok, still is a below average OBP player and isn’t exactly a spring chicken.

        And Burnett, who leads the league in walks and sports an ERA over 4.

        You might be able to get something for Byrd, a mid level prospect. But the rest of those guys are going to bring back career minor leaguers and lower tier prospects. Those guys aren’t seasoned red meat, they’re over cooked cube steak.

  2. dprusso01 - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:05 AM

    Cole Hamels has gone out and pitched well for the Phillies all year. He has not had the necessary run support he needs. A true pro, I would try to keep him.

  3. Francisco (FC) - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:15 AM

    If Andrew Friedman were running the team he wouldn’t trade Hamels either, because he would have started the rebuild process one or two years ago and the team would be looking forward to contending in 2016.

    • dan1111 - Jul 22, 2014 at 12:14 PM

      If a good GM were running the Phillies, they wouldn’t need to rebuild. They have enough budget space to contend perpetually, as long as they don’t do dumb things like sign old players to huge contracts.

      • zengreaser - Jul 22, 2014 at 3:35 PM

        I’m not really sure that line of thinking makes sense. We aren’t in the days of being able to “buy” championships anymore. In the post-steroid era, guys can’t produce at the highest levels into their mid & late 30s. And given the fact that players are under team control for the first 6 years of their time in the bigs, by the time they hit free agency, they are right around 30, if not older. Plus, most people get overpaid in free agency. So money is irrelevant. It’s about scouting. And the Phillies have failed to stock their farm system with the kind of talent that would have helped them not feel the effects of declining production from their former stars.

  4. stlbirds21 - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:16 AM

    The Phils aren’t a win now team at the moment and Hammels is a win now pitcher. Trade him.

  5. tjvalley - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:19 AM

    The phillies are 3 year rebuild away from competing. Anyone who can go should. There are a lot of miles on cole, he might not be effective in 3 years.

  6. scotttheskeptic - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:50 AM

    No offers, for any player, should be dismissed out-of-hand. A short rebuild is not possible at this late stage, regardless of the GM. Though I would have more confidence (and become a season ticket holder again) if anyone else were to be making these decisions.

  7. penguins87and71 - Jul 22, 2014 at 10:15 AM

    I would personally trade him. You could get a pretty big return for a guy who is pitching well, and is still in his prime.

  8. Bob Loblaw - Jul 22, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    The Phillies should not worry about getting prospects for Hamels. They should worry about rebooting. I think a team like the Angels would take Hamels and Howard for a couple of very low middling prospects.

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