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“If The Boss Was Still Alive” Watch: George Steinbrenner was absent from Joe Torre’s Hall of Fame speech

Jul 28, 2014, 12:30 PM EDT

Here’s the back page of the New York Post today:


A dude leads the local nine to 12 consecutive playoff appearances, six pennants and four World Series titles and they lead with some invented slight of a guy who has been dead for years. And who, according to Tom Verducci’s book “The Yankee Years,” had other candidates in mind besides Torre and who, even after Torre was hired, was allegedly working behind the scenes to see if Showalter would come back.

That intrigue aside, Steinbrenner was way more hands off than he had been once he came back from his Dave Winfield-Howie Spira suspension in 1993. Gene Michael and his men were running the Yankees on a day-to-day basis, not George. Obviously he would have final say, but it’s safe to say that Torre owned gratitude to more than just George Steinbrenner for his tenure as Yankees manager.

All of that said, Torre himself said afterward that he regretted omitting Steinbrenner, thereby validating this as a “scandal.” But what this is really about can be seen in the stories about it:

Later, talking to a small group of reporters, the 74-year-old Torre was asked how Steinbrenner might have handled the omission if he were still alive. “That would have made me feel better,” he said. “At least he would have yelled at me: ‘You ungrateful such, such and such.’ “

The New York press will never, apparently, drop the notion that what the long-dead George Steinbrenner might think matters.

  1. thedudabides - Jul 28, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    Always gotta’ find something negative here in NY.

    Did Cox mention Turner throughout his speech? I didn’t watch so I don’t know.

    • jfk69 - Jul 28, 2014 at 10:01 PM

      Joe keeps forgetting that George gave him his start back to greatness and his HOF credentials. Immediately recalling his gratefulness after his speech reminds me of how George handled reporters who failed to give him credit for the Yankee dynasty.
      Joe is not so clueless after all.

  2. sdelmonte - Jul 28, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    Yes, but the Post has officially been taken over by J Jonah Jameson now, so what do we expect?

    • SocraticGadfly - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:19 PM

      Right, it’s the Post. It’s the newspaper that could out-troll Craig six days a week and double on Sundays, all with half of its few remaining collective brain cells tied behind its back.

      And, just as people get upset about Craig’s clickbait trolling at times, Craig goes ahead and writes about this.

      Craig, since you posted the link, I hope you, or NBC staff if you don’t actually do your own blog posting, threw a “no follow” in the HTML to at least stop the Post from being able to rack up pageview counts.

      • SocraticGadfly - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:21 PM

        At the same time, per a piece earlier today?

        Craig, that should be:

        “If the Boss Were Still Alive.” Never neglect your subjunctives.

    • spursareold - Jul 28, 2014 at 5:25 PM

      Garbage Man: [on bringing in Spider-Man’s discarded costume] Now look, uh, I think I deserve a little something for this.
      J. Jonah Jameson: Give ya fifty bucks.
      Garbage Man: I could get more than that on eBay.
      J. Jonah Jameson: All right, a hundred. Miss Brant, give this man his money and throw in a bar of soap.

      • 22yearsagotoday - Jul 28, 2014 at 7:45 PM

        Like that great Pace Picante Texas salsa commercial says: NEW YORK!?!?!

  3. chip56 - Jul 28, 2014 at 1:06 PM

    It is fair to point out that Torre’s Hall of Fame credentials as a manager are based largely on being handed the keys to the Yankees by Steinbrenner who took quite a bit of poop from the same NY Media for hiring “Clueless Joe” in the first place.

    • pete2112 - Jul 28, 2014 at 1:24 PM

      I think that’s an unfair view of Joe and have always felt that way. No one was predicting the 96 Yankees of being a serious contender much less the dynasty that followed. Sure, he wasn’t there in the early 90’s which brought together some of the key pieces to those teams but you can’t fault him for that as he still had to go out and win the games once he got there. We’ll never know if Buck would’ve been able to have the same success but I’m happy how things turned out nonetheless. He was the perfect guy for that team at the right time.

      • chip56 - Jul 28, 2014 at 1:42 PM

        No question that Joe (and Don Zimmer) were key pieces of that run. But you still have to agree that had George not taken a chance on him coming off a pretty awful couple of years in St. Louis and a pretty “meh” career in general Torre would not have been in Cooperstown yesterday without a ticket.

        Look, I’ve written and given enough speeches to know that in the heat of the moment you always forget something so I’m not killing Torre for this gaffe but it was a gaffe to not mention Steinbrenner.

  4. pete2112 - Jul 28, 2014 at 1:06 PM

    It’s the New York sports media… Why is this even being talked about or being treated as a big story? George and Joe both had/have some thick skin to be able to do what they did for the Yankees for as long as they did and It is what it is. I’m sure Joe has his reasons for not including George in his speech, but I think what people should remember is Joe took the high road most times with regard to George. I can only imagine what he had to deal with daily during his time there and especially early on after being hired. He knew what he was getting himself into and George was going to do what he always did, but Joe made the most out of it.

  5. proudlycanadian - Jul 28, 2014 at 1:06 PM

    I am more shocked that Torre forgot to thank his grade 1 teacher.

    • yahmule - Jul 28, 2014 at 3:07 PM

      I wanted to marry mine.

  6. tippyteo - Jul 28, 2014 at 1:09 PM

    The author of this post expected rational, level-heading thinking from THE NEW YORK POST?

  7. genericcommenter - Jul 28, 2014 at 1:24 PM

    I’m 35, a lifelong Yankees fan, and I couldn’t stand George Steinbrenner. And I’m not one of those people who pretends every dead person is a saint. The best thing that ever happened to the Yankees was when Steinbrenner was removed for a period of time and then appeared to take a more “hands off” role. I’ll never forget the way he treated Winfield or when his antics led Mattingly to rant about how “they give you money but no respect.”

    • pete2112 - Jul 28, 2014 at 1:26 PM

      I have respect for George, but that time he was away from the team really helped them assemble what was to become those teams in the mid 90’s.

      • genericcommenter - Jul 28, 2014 at 1:29 PM

        Yeah, I mean- he’s human and certainly wasn’t without his qualities or contributions. I just get sick of the worship, especially from people who were around and/or know better.

    • yahmule - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:34 PM

      He was mainly a big bully at heart.

  8. bostonfrogs - Jul 28, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    He was human, but he was far more jackass than kind-hearted benefactor. He owed his success as an owner to Gabe Paul and Brian Cashman–between their eras, his ownership was pretty much a disaster.

    Torre more than paid back whatever he owed the guy by winning championships–an insincere thank you to a guy who wasn’t even in his corner wasn’t necessary.

  9. crashdavis99 - Jul 28, 2014 at 2:02 PM

    What about Assistant to the Traveling Secretary George Costanza?
    Once again they’re “sticking it to him”.

    • adross47 - Jul 28, 2014 at 2:58 PM

      Wasn’t he the guy who put the Yankees up in that Ramada in Milwaukee?

      • crashdavis99 - Jul 28, 2014 at 3:17 PM

        Do you want to talk about hotels or do you want to win some ball games?

  10. scoops1 - Jul 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM

    I’d like to know when Fitted Hat day is….

  11. stercuilus65 - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:34 PM

    If the boss were still alive… he’d be screaming “let me out of this coffin”!

  12. comebacksonics - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:41 PM

    Cant we all just get a long!!! At least you hicks have a manager in the Hall Of Fame.
    Come on Mariners!! Before I die would be nice

    • 22yearsagotoday - Jul 28, 2014 at 7:47 PM

      Hope you’re young!

  13. spursareold - Jul 28, 2014 at 5:27 PM

    No one has even mentioned that perhaps the omission was intentional?

  14. lanjoith - Jul 28, 2014 at 5:41 PM

    The Yankees won in spite of George, not because of him.

  15. lukedunphysscienceproject - Jul 28, 2014 at 6:50 PM

    It’s funny how the New York Post didn’t have a single nice thing to say about George Steinbrenner while he was alive, but now gets all indignant over a percieved “slight” of “The Boss”.

  16. docboss - Jul 28, 2014 at 7:32 PM

    The Seinfeld reference was beautiful.

  17. jfk69 - Jul 28, 2014 at 10:04 PM

    Joe Torre…aka nice guy and master manipulator.
    Right Derek

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