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So maybe Cole Hamels is available after all

Jul 28, 2014, 4:00 PM EDT

The Phillies have said for a couple of months that they weren’t putting Cole Hamels on the market. But then this got tweeted:

I’ve never truly believed it when teams say players are untouchable or that they are not having conversations about them. It’d be malpractice not to! That doesn’t mean they’re seriously considering a trade. Or that they disrespect the player. It’s just that there’s no use going through life with a hand tied behind your back. Talk to some GM about your “untouchable” player and you may find out that GM is dumb and will overpay. Or, at the very least, you get some intelligence about what’s going on in the marker place.

I bet someone will take issue with the Phillis for “making Hamels available” to whatever extent he is, in fact, available. But it’d be way dumber for Ruben Amaro to throw his cell phone in the toilet and not accept any calls at all.

  1. DelawarePhilliesFan - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:07 PM

    Establishing a bench mark for the price of pitching – I agree. I don’t suspect much else is a foot. Unless Puig is becoming a Phillie

    • dannymac17 - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:48 PM

      Puig to the Phillies? Have you lost your mind?

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jul 28, 2014 at 5:34 PM

        No, I have not lost my mind.

        Have you read my post? You know, the one in which I said nothing is a foot? You following me now, or do I really have to explain what should be obvious?

      • Francisco (FC) - Jul 28, 2014 at 8:19 PM

        Isn’t afoot one word?

      • chadjones27 - Jul 29, 2014 at 8:21 AM

        is afeet the plural form of afoot?

      • cincinata - Jul 29, 2014 at 11:43 AM

        Delaware:

        The Dodgers are not going to give away their Franchise player, especially to another NL team. Get your head out of where the sun don’t shine. Yes, afoot is one word. Afeet? Never heard of it.

      • dannymac17 - Jul 29, 2014 at 1:57 PM

        Follow you? Where? I dont know you and have never seen you post, but I can guarantee you one thing, I will never pay your posts any more mind because they are so dumb they made my head hurt.

  2. chew1985 - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:08 PM

    Hamels is available. Ruben Amaro is who you have to deal with. If you want one of the best pitchers in baseball who is throwing the ball better than he ever has, call Mr. Amaro. You WILL get a great deal, because Mr. Amaro has not made a trade that has worked in the Phillies’ favor yet. And he’s been trying for 5 years now.

    • ochospantalones - Jul 28, 2014 at 7:30 PM

      I am no fan of Amaro’s (I desperately hope he gets fired) but it’s not fair to say “Mr. Amaro has not made a trade that has worked in the Phillies’ favor yet”. The first Cliff Lee trade was a steal, none of the players Amaro gave up have been any good. That he then screwed up by trading Lee for nothing after the season does not make the initial deal bad. Likewise the Halladay deal was a success, even with his career being cut short due to injury. The only player of any value Amaro gave up in that deal is Travis d’Arnaurd, who has yet to really establish himself with the Mets, though he has shown flashes. Which is not to say suggest that all of Amaro’s trades have been good: both Hunter Pence trades were disasters.

      • zemongoose - Jul 28, 2014 at 7:53 PM

        The next legit prospect Amaro acquires via trade will be the first one.

      • cincinata - Jul 29, 2014 at 11:47 AM

        No Ochos, that “steel” cost them a lot of money for which they are still paying; for a guy who is under performing for his salary range.

      • ochospantalones - Jul 29, 2014 at 5:48 PM

        @cincinata Why is an incorrect spelling of “steal” in quotes? Also, you have no idea what you are talking about. The Phillies’ trade for Cliff Lee in 2009 cost them very little money. He was due $6 million in 2009, most of which had already been paid by Cleveland, and was under contract for $9 million in 2010, which the Phillies did not end up paying. Both those figures were ridiculous bargains regardless. Cliff Lee’s current contract was signed as a free agent before the 2011 season, after he was traded two additional times (from the Phillies to the Mariners prior to the 2010 season and from the Mariners to the Rangers at the deadline in 2010).

      • ochospantalones - Jul 29, 2014 at 5:50 PM

        “The next legit prospect Amaro acquires via trade will be the first one.”

        Absolutely true. Amaro is a terrible GM who has utterly failed at acquiring good prospects in exchange for veterans. But this is not the claim that chew1985 made to start this discussion, he said “Mr. Amaro has not made a trade that has worked in the Phillies’ favor yet”.

  3. realgone2 - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:11 PM

    Go get him Baltimore

    • teejayss - Jul 28, 2014 at 6:06 PM

      Nationals.

  4. randygnyc - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:11 PM

    Proven quitter. 09

    • chew1985 - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:31 PM

      Proven idiot 14.

      • psubeerman21 - Jul 28, 2014 at 6:20 PM

        Proven world series MVP. 2008

    • phillychris - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:34 PM

      He didn’t quite… Where did you see that he “quite”? I hate people that say this… All because he came into the season coming off the World Series hangover and didn’t have a year that he wanted coming off being the NLCS and WS MVP. So he said “I want the season to be over…” and people have been killing him for that ever since. Don’t mind the fact that he went and learned another pitch and has been better than the pitcher he was in 2008/09. God I hate this city sometimes…

      • clemente2 - Jul 28, 2014 at 5:07 PM

        NYC?

      • pardontheerruption - Jul 29, 2014 at 8:50 AM

        That’s “quite” the post phillychris….

      • cincinata - Jul 29, 2014 at 11:50 AM

        I think I will quite writing of this subject. It is quit difficult to argue with youse guys.

  5. jvandever007 - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:21 PM

    I expect him to be in a cards uniform by Thursday

    • SocraticGadfly - Jul 28, 2014 at 8:04 PM

      Really? There’s been zero speculation, at least before this weekend, that the Cards were looking at him. Amaro probably wants even more for him than Friedman does for Price.

      I’d much rather take the still fairly dependable, even if old and non-fit, Bartolo Colon for a lot less.

      • cincinata - Jul 29, 2014 at 12:07 PM

        Yes, maybe Hamels for Oscar. That sounds good.

  6. proudlycanadian - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:29 PM

    All I know for sure is that Philadelphia has been scouting Toronto’s prospects according to Shi Davidi of Sportsnet.ca.

    • schmedley69 - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:41 PM

      Blue Jays are on his no trade list, and I doubt that he would agree to go there.

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 28, 2014 at 5:01 PM

        No trade lists can be a negotiating tool.

      • schmedley69 - Jul 28, 2014 at 5:09 PM

        I just can’t see Hollywood Hamels in Toronto.

      • gothapotamus90210 - Jul 28, 2014 at 7:20 PM

        @proudly … tax implications too much to overcome.

  7. sdelmonte - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:31 PM

    Given Amaro’s track record, I think someone should get to his home and office and seal his bathrooms shut.

  8. realgone2 - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:35 PM

    Hamels to LA for Matt Kemp and Barney………..hehe

  9. Uncle Charlie - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:36 PM

    Who’s Phillis and how can she make Hamels available?

    • cincinata - Jul 29, 2014 at 11:53 AM

      I think he meant Phillthies!

  10. schmedley69 - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:40 PM

    I would like to throw Ruben Amaro into a toilet, head first.

    • cincinata - Jul 29, 2014 at 11:54 AM

      This is the first logical thing I have read on this post!

  11. dustinb18 - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:41 PM

    RUBIN WILL SCREW IT UP !

  12. shyts7 - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:41 PM

    Why is it that whenever someone is available in almost every article, the Dodgers are immediately attached? Maybe not in this case, but, but it just seems like some writers like attaching names to get more views.

    • schmedley69 - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:44 PM

      After they traded for that trash barge from Boston last year, anything is possible with the Dodgers.

      • geejon - Jul 28, 2014 at 5:27 PM

        That trash barge got them to within 2 wins of W.S. last year and in first place again this year.

        Gonzalez was great last year and is second in the NL in RBI’s again this year.

        Beckett got injured last year but this year had been one of the best pitchers up to the all-star break and he’s in the last year of his deal so no big $ issues with him.

        As for Crawford, he was solid last year, better in the playoffs, but slumped bad this year. Taking him on was the only way the Red Sox were going to give away Gonzalez so he was the cost for the Dodgers.

        All in all, Dodgers went from a team going nowhere with an owner more intent on pocketing every penny to coming 2 wins from the W.S. and one of the leading contenders to get there again all in 2 years. Beckett’s deal is finished in 3 months. Gonzalez has been exactly what they expected and has them set at 1B. The only cost to them was paying Crawford (and Boston even threw in some of his $ to offset it). As much uninformed fans like you try to knock that deal, both teams would make it all over again.

      • schmedley69 - Jul 28, 2014 at 5:49 PM

        Craig, add “trash barge” to the list of ways to troll Dodgers fans.

  13. norvturnersneck - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:47 PM

    That’s a bad contract to pick up. A lot of year$ left on the contract. However, it is the Dodgers and they always seem to be like a lottery winner right after they get their check.

    • chew1985 - Jul 28, 2014 at 4:58 PM

      Hamels is 30 and pitching better than ever at known price for the next few seasons. If he were a free agent right now, he’d get even more. Any team serious about winning a world championship in 2014 and the next couple years would be wise to make a realistic offer.

      • geejon - Jul 28, 2014 at 5:16 PM

        Yup. Hamels should be able to fetch more than either Lester or Price. Lester can walk away this offseason and leave the team trading for him with nothing. Price is under control for one more year but can refuse to sign a new deal and walk a year later, plus, he’ll want a bigger and longer deal than Hamels. The guy who knocked his deal is totally clueless.

  14. theebbandflow - Jul 28, 2014 at 5:14 PM

    Can’t help but think we’ll end up getting a prospect for Hamels that we’ll just 3-way-trade back to them in 2 years to get the 38 year old cliff lee from some other team.

    • chadjones27 - Jul 29, 2014 at 8:26 AM

      It’s like you’re reading my mind…

  15. Cortez>Sapp - Jul 28, 2014 at 5:58 PM

    How about Hamels and Byrd for James Paxton, LHP, DJ Peterson, 1B/OF, Carson Smith, RHP? SEA gets the #2 to slot behind Felix and the RH power they need. Phils get Paxton for the rotation and Smith for the bullpen now, then Peterson gives us options in the future to play Franco at 3B, Asche at 2B and Peterson at 1B OR Asche at 3B, Franco at 1B and Peterson in LF or RF

    • scotttheskeptic - Jul 28, 2014 at 7:29 PM

      I like your thinking.

      • zemongoose - Jul 28, 2014 at 7:44 PM

        Please tell me your last name isn’t Proefrock

    • zemongoose - Jul 28, 2014 at 7:47 PM

      Any deal involving Hamels has to start with Walker and Franklin

      • Cortez>Sapp - Jul 28, 2014 at 8:44 PM

        Franklin stinks. I don’t know if they’d part with Walker, that’s why I suggested Paxton. Their offense really needs RH power and Byrd would fit right in. Peterson would give the Phils a young bat who isn’t far away. Franco, Asche, Crawford and Peterson would give them a decent young core to build on instead of the Dinosaur Core we have now (Ruiz, Howard, Utley, Rollins)

    • greymares - Jul 29, 2014 at 6:46 AM

      Your big flaw in your future hopes is Franco can’t play. I have seen every Pigs home game and will trade him if I can.

  16. yungdaz - Jul 28, 2014 at 6:43 PM

    And here come the Yankees!!!! Go get em Cash!!

  17. Bob Loblaw - Jul 28, 2014 at 8:33 PM

    If they trade Hamels for top prospects instead of dumping him with Howard for nothing then they should tar and feather Amaro. They should already do that but they need salary relief more than prospects at this time. Hamels and Howard for nothing. Great deal.

    • cincinata - Jul 29, 2014 at 12:01 PM

      OK: This has to be the last word until the trade is made. Or not, and stick Hamels and the Phillthies with each other.

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