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Phillies wanted Joc Pederson, Corey Seager, and Julio Urias from Dodgers for Cole Hamels

Jul 29, 2014, 7:03 PM EDT

FOX Sports’ Jon Morosi reported Monday that the Phillies have made ace left-hander Cole Hamels available ahead of Thursday’s July 31 trade deadline, but the asking price on him is apparently sky-high.

Bob Nightengale of USA Today writes that the Dodgers — who are known to be in the market for a top-tier starting pitcher — reached out to the Phillies front office recently but were told it would take top prospects Joc Pederson, Corey Seager, and Julio Urias to get Hamels. Los Angeles quickly said no.

Pederson, a 22-year-old center fielder, has batted .318/.450/.585 with 22 home runs and 25 stolen bases in 91 games this season at Triple-A Albuquerque. Seager, a 20-year-old shortstop, owns a .353/.410/.630 slash line with 18 home runs and 71 RBI in 86 games between High-A Rancho Cucamonga and Double-A Chattanooga. Urias, a 17-year-old left-hander from Mexico, has registered a 2.77 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, and 134 strikeouts over his first 113 2/3 innings as a professional.

To call that a massive return package would be an understatement. It’s pretty clear now that Hamels — who is under contract with the Phillies through the 2018 season — is probably going to be staying put.

  1. jake6881 - Jul 29, 2014 at 9:57 PM

    Hamels just went 8 scoreless. He could of come out for the CG. Rhyno does some crazy managing some times. If I am the Phills, I would keep Hamels. If I am the Dodgers, make the deal and dump the extra huge contract on the phills too. It might be one of the worst moves in Phillies history if those guys don’t pan out and Hamels wins a WS and goes to another. Even worse, he wins two! Which is highly likely with those three guys pitching in the playoffs.

    • redskinsnamestays - Jul 30, 2014 at 12:42 AM

      8 scoreless…,,,against the Mets….in that huge NY ballpark. No way would I give up 3 can’t miss prospects. If you saw Joc Pederson play, you’d know why.

      • greymares - Jul 30, 2014 at 6:40 AM

        Why isn’t Pederson in LA.? Evidently he’s not as good yet as the 4 in front of him.

      • joeyb3878 - Jul 30, 2014 at 7:07 AM

        Hamels has a 2.72 era. Started the year on DL but it’s safe to say he is healthy considering since June 1 he has a 1.58 era with 89 strike outs.

      • dsaverno - Jul 30, 2014 at 8:20 AM

        @ Grey

        Even the Ellisonesque spending habits of the Dodgers can’t completely eat the Crawford, Kemp and Ethier contracts. And with Puig solidified in one spot, that’s 15-20 million per year sitting the bench. If Pederson were up and playing, that’s 30+ million in reserves, a number only the Phillies can match. Dodger brass doesn’t want to have reserve outfielders make more than the entire Astros team.

      • philswfc08 - Jul 30, 2014 at 8:21 AM

        How many pitchers with a World Series ring, an LCS MVP trophy and a WS MVP trophy are available on the trade market? As much as I’d hate to see him go, the Phils should make a deal…obviously you are gonna start out asking high, but I don’t have much faith in Ruben Amaro at the negotiating table to get something done. I would think 2 of those 3 guys would/should work for both sides. OR does Ruben, just want to say “I tried” to trade, but couldn’t get FMV.

      • topwonk - Jul 30, 2014 at 9:58 AM

        Yeah – in that huge ballpark that teh Phillies hit 3 HRs in last night, including an upper-deck grand slam by Utley. What does that have to do with anything? Hamels is pitching the best ball of his career right now, according to experts on the subject, not us.

      • joeyb3878 - Jul 30, 2014 at 5:45 PM

        Joc would be playing now if Kemp wasn’t in the way and that’s coming from a Phillies fan

    • lakeshow028 - Jul 30, 2014 at 10:34 AM

      You high? Dodgers have different owners now, they’re not gonna help the Phillies stock there team with talent like before , go find another team to sucker, if I was management for the Dodgers I’d laugh them off the field for such an ridiculous request.
      F the Phillies!

  2. Fantasy Football Consultant - Jul 29, 2014 at 10:08 PM

    Dodger fans know what they have in those prospects

    • joeyb3878 - Jul 30, 2014 at 7:11 AM

      Are they that good not to jump on a chance of adding a third ace and going for a championship or two or are the Dodgers good enough just being good enough………

    • lakeshow028 - Jul 30, 2014 at 10:36 AM

      Hamels is not worth that crazy asking price, Trade then Haren and Paco Rodriguez for Hamels.
      Makes about just as much sense.

      • joeyb3878 - Jul 30, 2014 at 5:47 PM

        That trade proposal by RAJ was a desperate shot to save his job. With that said however Hamels is much more valuable than he is getting credit for.

  3. fanofthegame1 - Jul 29, 2014 at 11:03 PM

    And we all thought Amaro was an idiot. Given Urias is just 17, its not as bad as it looks. You will always pay to win now. Looking at current phillies roster, paid the price to be competitive over last 5 years.

  4. kingkershaw - Jul 29, 2014 at 11:05 PM

    There are only a few players in all of baseball that that deal would be worthwhile. Mike Trout, Giancarlo Stanton, Jose Fernandez, Yasiel Puig and Clayton Kershaw. The Dodgers would be foolish to do that deal. I doubt Stan would let Ned be that stupid.

  5. redskinsnamestays - Jul 29, 2014 at 11:16 PM

    I wouldn’t give just one of those guys for Hammels. All 3 is just absurd.

    • joeyb3878 - Jul 30, 2014 at 7:00 AM

      Cole Hamels has a 2.72 era over 18 games. He started the season on DL but is completely healthy now. He has a 1.58 era since June 1 and has only allowed 2 runs in his 3 starts including 27 SO to 1 walk. He is still an ace and still in his prime. The Dodgers are a solid playoff contender now, adding Hamels to a rotation including Clayton Kershaw and Zach Greinke would make them a legitimate threat to win the World Series this year and next. He would take the load off Josh Beckkett as the three and allow him time be fresh for the post season. Hamels is a seasoned playoff pitcher and WS MVP and if the Dodgers can get him now they will be a force to be reckoned with. I know the Phillies asked a king’s ransom but to say you wouldn’t give up one of those guys let alone all three is absurd. These guys are prospects. Hamels is a proven winner. Do the Dodgers just want to be playoff contenders or World Series favorites…….. Hypothetically speaking, if the Dodgers trade all three minor league prospects for Hamels and it results in a WS this year and a legit favorite next season, do you make the trade? Or are one or two of these prospects really not worth gaining the best rotation in the majors?

      • zukny1 - Jul 30, 2014 at 9:07 AM

        Hamels is one of the best pitchers in baseball and will be for the foreseeable future. His asking price is high, because he is the freaking MAN!

        2008 – MVP and wasn’t even on top of his game yet.

  6. kappy32 - Jul 30, 2014 at 12:14 AM

    Hey, Magic, call the Mets. The Dodgers can gladly take Jon Niese off our hands & we will take Pederson OR Seager. Niese may not be at the tier Hamels is, but he’s not far behind him. They are both very similar pitchers, except that Niese is younger & has a much more team-friendly contract. If the Dodgers are looking for that one last pitching piece to get over the top & are willing to deal Pederson, then I suggest the Mets give them a call. In addition to Niese, I would add either Colon or Gee. That is ONLY if the Dodgers are willing to move Pederson. Frankly, if I were the Dodgers I wouldn’t move him for anything short of a top-10 pitcher. However, if they’re desperate enough then I think Sandy Alderson should make that call & get that deal done before Thursday.

    • redskinsnamestays - Jul 30, 2014 at 12:34 AM

      Joc is MLB ready now. Plays gold glove CF and can rake! As good as Joc is, Seager is their #1 prospect. At 17, Urias hits 98 MPH…with good control

      No way I’m giving up any of these guys for a $100 mil contract in Hamels

      • joeyb3878 - Jul 30, 2014 at 10:57 AM

        Dodgers don’t seem to care about money and the Phils would likely eat some of his contract depending on which prospects the Dodgers are willing to part with. I really don’t think Rube expected all three. The three guys he wanted are legit and I get why Dodger fans would feel insulted. I’m insulted to have Rube as GM of my Phillies to be honest. Joc would be playing now if the Dodgers can unload Matt Kemp and his inflated contract. Urias is a flamethrower but he is 17 and ain’t gonna see the majors until at least 2016 so anyone who says they wouldn’t trade just him for Hamels is out of their mind. The time is now in LA and Hamels IS what all these come and go prospects are hyped up to be…….. Put him with Kershaw and Greinke while allowing Beckkett to be healthy for the playoffs is a straight nasty rotation.

    • schlom - Jul 30, 2014 at 1:04 AM

      Since 2011:

      Cole Hamels – 19.3bWAR/15.5fWAR
      Jon Niese – 6.2bWAR/7.2fWAR

      It’s like they’re twins! I had no idea they were such similar pitchers.

      • joeyb3878 - Jul 30, 2014 at 4:34 PM

        And since July 2 Neise has been on DL. While Hamels is 4-0 with a 2.23 era……… Hamels also pitched from 06 to 10 including a 2008 World Series MVP. How does that get left out of the comparison.

  7. Cortez>Sapp - Jul 30, 2014 at 6:10 AM

    Amaro is nuts, there’s no way that’s happening. Hamels and Ruiz for Pederson and Seager is fair for both sides. The Dodgers shore up two spots, the Phils get a stud OF, clear $30M in cash off the books and can either keep Seager or flip him to another team (Ben Revere and Seager to BOS for Jackie Bradley and Felix Doubront). The Phils end up with a legit CF, a stud LF, a decent #4 starter and enough $ to land 2-3 good free agents OR they can buy out Howard. Pederson, Bradley, Ruf would be a decent OF, Franco, Hernandez, Crawford, Asche is a good infield. We still have Utley, Rollins, Lee, Paps to trade for pitching and between the $ saved in this trade, Kendrick-Adams-R.Hernandez’s salaries all coming off the books, we could be major players in free agency

  8. corvetteman6 - Jul 30, 2014 at 7:51 AM

    With Lee, Hamels and Halliday in mind, there is a lesson to be learned as to how to pay top tier pitching talent (and with Howard in mind, top players in general). Halliday is of course retired, but how can you not think that this has been a tremendous waste of money for little return?
    I don’t have much sympathy for the Phils after making these absurd deals.

  9. philswfc08 - Jul 30, 2014 at 8:27 AM

    Hamels is due $90 million through 2018…the Dodgers wouldn’t be able to sign a pitcher of his caliber on the open market for that much (i.e. Lester this offseason and Price next would both fetch more $ and years than what Hamels has left). Plus Hamels is better than both of those guys, although they are all pretty close imo.

  10. topwonk - Jul 30, 2014 at 10:27 AM

    Hamels is pitching the best he has in his career over the last five weeks. 4-0 with a 1.53 ERA with this sorry bunch behind him. He is 6-5 this season with the worst run support of any starting pitcher in the NL going into last night, and an overall 2.55 ERA. Has 9 no-decisions or losses where he went 6+ innings and gave up 3 runs or less, 0 in two of those and one run in another. Could easily have 12 wins… He is simply the best starting pitcher to come through the Phillies farm system since Chris Short who was signed in 1957. And his career will certainly transcend Short’s, meaning HOF Robin Roberts is next on the list. All that being said, he is being wasted on this team and is the ONLY chip they have that can bring gifted layers with which to rebuild. The deal with LA sounds crazy, but if you are LA aren’t you tempted to lock up Kershaw, Coles, and Greinke as your 1-3 rotation for the foreseeable future? The deal puts them head and shoulders above San Fran in their division and all of the other contenders in the NL, making them the outright favorite to win the 2014 World Series. With all three signed through at least 2018, the Dodgers could be perennial WS participants. And if you are the Phillies, you probably have no choice but to make the deal, if LA accepts, getting back three top tier players at positions of need, and freeing Cole’s cash to go after a replacement, like Lester or Price. Sounds like a great… Nah, makes too much sense to happen…

  11. dodgersfan21 - Jul 30, 2014 at 3:57 PM

    I agree that Joc Pederson, Corey Seager, and Julio Urias would just be too risky for the dodgers in the long run. Making that trade would be similar to when the Phillies went all out from 2007-2011 and acquired Cliff Lee by trade, Roy Halladay, Roy Oswalt, and Hunter Pence. They were part of multiple blockbusters over the span of 2009-2011 and didn’t have a World Series championship in one of those years to show for it (though they did win in 2008). My point is that the dodgers must keep a good farm system if they plan on being good for the long haul. Look where the Phillies are now? Old and expensive. If I was Ned Colletti and the phillies wanted all three of those guys, I would demand Franco be thrown in as well as Papelbon while covering about 30% of both the Papelbon and Hamel’s contracts. With Beckett, Haren, and potential Wilson coming off the books after this season, covering the rest of their contracts will not be a problem at all.

  12. dodgersfan21 - Jul 30, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    Or alternatively, my final offer if I was Ned Colletti would be Joc Pederson, Zach Lee, and maybe Scott schebler while we will take on 90% of Hamel’s contract. If the phillies continue to demand Seager and/or Urias with no throw in of Franco and/or Papelbon I would take the deal of the table immediately.

  13. Minoring In Baseball - Jul 30, 2014 at 9:54 PM

    A sky high price is correct. Just from seeing Seager and Urias play in Great Lakes, no way I’d give up on either of them for Hamels. Just my opinion, but they are pretty solid prospects.

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