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Comment of the Day: in the 60s they lamented showboating players too

Jul 30, 2014, 12:03 PM EDT

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This is a tweet, not a comment, but it’s in reference to the Gibson/Drysdale stuff from earlier. From Mike Dumas:

It’s funny… just a few days ago I was listening to the radio broadcast of the 1968 World Series, which Bullet Bob appeared in. During one of the games, announcers Jack Buck and Pee Wee Reese are discussing a controversy about Lou Brock “showboating” on the base paths, and Reese mentions how back in the old days when he was playing, a pitcher would’ve “low-bridged” a hitter to tried that stuff, but went on to say how nowadays (i.e., the ’60s) that doesn’t seem to happen so much anymore.

So the guy who probably knew the Dodgers better than any other team and who, at the time he said it, was broadcasting a Cardinals game during Bob Gibson’s signature season, didn’t think that the existence of Bob Gibson and Don Drysdale had put a stop to flash and disrespect and all of that? And that pitchers back in his day wouldn’t stand for this stuff?

I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

  1. tbird05 - Jul 30, 2014 at 12:26 PM

    Well, how bout that. There seems to be another tradition in baseball…continue to discuss how ‘back in my day…’ blah blah blah.

    On a more relevant note, lets dig down into why people do this. At least in my experience, it is much easier to root for a guy like Adam Wainwright than David Ortiz. Why do you say? Well, they are both obviously great baseball players, but Wainwright carries himself a little differently than Ortiz. Doesn’t mean that Ortiz is bad for the game, and doesn’t mean that Wainwright is the only one that knows how to act right, but I promise you more people will be inclined to root for Wainwright simply because of the perceived respect.

    • chargrz - Jul 30, 2014 at 12:39 PM

      Ortiz is an Azz Clown.

      • lphboston - Jul 30, 2014 at 2:51 PM

        Juiced Azz Clown

    • baberuthslegs - Jul 30, 2014 at 1:44 PM

      Perception is everything.

    • ch0psuey - Jul 31, 2014 at 12:05 AM

      Agree tbird05, and for the first time ever I actually agree with you chargrz.

  2. pete2112 - Jul 30, 2014 at 12:36 PM

    If the boss were still alive……

  3. Rich Stowe - Jul 30, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    Everybody remembers their favorite times better than they were

    just like Pee Wee thinks the players were getting away with showboating when he was announcing, if you went back and found play by play of from when Pee Wee was playing, I’m sure some former player would be lamenting how Pee Wee got away with showboating but pitchers like Cy Young wouldn’t let players back then get away with it…

    it’s a vicious cycle – the players from the generations before the current one all “played the game” the right way, were “all clearly better players” etc…yet if you go back and ask anyone who saw them play, you would get the same kind of comments about them that you get about the players of today

  4. Jason @ IIATMS - Jul 30, 2014 at 1:00 PM

    Don’t let your facts get in the way of my memes and “-isms”

  5. pete2112 - Jul 30, 2014 at 1:47 PM

    Back in my day…ummm… Get off my lawn, Craig!

  6. yahmule - Jul 30, 2014 at 1:52 PM

    Charlie Hustle was not intended as a compliment.

  7. Glenn - Jul 30, 2014 at 2:01 PM

    Bill James had a quoted blurb in one of his books about how today’s players didn’t hustle, know the fundamentals, respect the game, etc. At the end of it – surprise – it was from 1915 or some such date.

    • hep3 - Jul 30, 2014 at 2:26 PM

      I think the quote you are referring to was by a player like Ty Cobb said in the ’20s. I remember there was also a quote about how the current players of that day only cared about money and didn’t play for the love of the game.

      Times have really changed, eh?

      • yahmule - Jul 30, 2014 at 3:21 PM

        “We used to play the game for the sheer joy of excluding non-whites.”

        ~Ty Cobb, probably

  8. Marty McKee - Jul 30, 2014 at 2:31 PM

    Eh. So it’s a sliding scale. It’s entirely possible, maybe even likely, that pitchers did “low-bridge” batters more in Reese’s day than they did in 1968, just as it’s possible that it happened more in 1968 than it does now.

    • paperlions - Jul 30, 2014 at 4:19 PM

      Nah, I think it is just the baseball version of old guys being crotchety. Old guys have always been crotchety. Millions of years ago old cave dudes used to grumble about how they walked up hill both ways to the hunting grounds and that this ice age isn’t nearly as cold as when they were kids and you kids get away from my cave entrance.

      It was BS then and it is BS now.

  9. 4cornersfan - Jul 30, 2014 at 2:47 PM

    Bloggers don’t get out there and give the effort anymore. There was a time when no self-respecting blogger would do a blog based upon a tweet.

    • yahmule - Jul 30, 2014 at 3:22 PM

      And the trolling! I mean, blog like you’ve been there before.

  10. nothanksimdriving123 - Jul 30, 2014 at 3:50 PM

    One thing that has definitely changed since I first watched games in the 1960s is how players celebrate victories. I recall they would almost always shake hands with teammates, perhaps a few back-pats, then they just dashed into the dugout and off to the clubhouse. The rare exception would be something like Berra leaping into Larsen’s arms at the 27th out of his WS perfect game. Fans would sometimes race onto the field, so in some cases, the players may have felt the need to exit in self defense.
    Now we almost always see a walk-off win celebrated by a home-plate dancing scrum, which is fine unless a player gets injured, or a player being chased down and his shirt being torn off, or other such displays.
    The post-game on-field TV interview is frequently punctuated by a pie in the face or a bucket or two of icy sports drink being dumped on the player.
    The players in the 1960s celebrated more like adults, while today they celebrate more like kids having fun. Better, worse? Partly both? Or just different.

  11. steelerfanforlife - Jul 30, 2014 at 4:04 PM

    You are super cool Craig!! 👍 I am amazed that NBC pays you to post this brilliant stuff!

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