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Gammons: the Pirates may have made an offer for David Price that was “greater in terms of talent”

Aug 1, 2014, 5:03 PM EDT

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For that I am quoting Rays Index, which quotes Peter Gammons on MLB Network regarding the Pirates alleged offer to the Rays for David Price:

“Most people thought the Pirates offer, which was all about prospects and minor leaguers, might have been greater in terms of talent and that the Pirates were much closer to getting Price than we realize. But the way that the Rays look at it in Franklin and in Smyly, they get two current Major League players who are under control for a long time [and] cost efficient.”

To which I say the same thing, more or less, I said about the Red Sox’ return for Jon Lester yesterday: it makes total sense if you assume, as the Rays likely assume, that they have a good chance to contend in 2015. The AL East is fluid, the Rays will be getting some of their injured starters back next year and, while keeping David Price would be both an expensive and very short term proposition for them, there is no reason for the Rays to assume the next time they reach the playoffs will be years from now. Smyly and Franklin will help next year.


  1. ejheim62 - Aug 1, 2014 at 5:20 PM

    wish they’d tell us what prospects the Pirates were willing to give up. A lot of Pirates fans (me included) are unhappy about yesterday’s lack of movement when the NL Central is still very much in play. Fans are castigating our G.M. pretty unmercifully, and from the sound of this article, perhaps quite unfairly.

    • jrob23 - Aug 1, 2014 at 7:12 PM

      no..he deserves it. He is pretty bad with how he handled Polanco and Burnett and did absolutely nothing at the deadline.

      • blzr409 - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:02 PM

        Yes totally played it wrong with Polanco. Because thinking a guy with a .660 OPS could use more minor league seasoning is completely ridiculous.

      • ejheim62 - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:22 PM

        I wasn’t upset at all about Burnett. I did want them to bring Polanco up earlier. I’m more upset about keeping Sanchez, Snyder, a few other guys who, while probably being nice guys and all, aren’t starting major leaguers. Hell with it. If they’re not going to trade the kids down in AAA, then bring them up and let them play! If they’re that valuable, then play them!

    • corvetteman6 - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:34 PM

      Unless you’ve been asleep, Polanco has proven the Pirates brass was right
      The kid’s not ready
      Not that Jose Tabata or Travis Snyder ever will be
      And Burnett? Not for 14 mil
      A good barometer of Huntington’s abilities will be how he handles
      the situation with Alvarez. The guy has to go

    • jinx21fan - Aug 1, 2014 at 11:52 PM

      In this media age I know fans feel they need an hourly update from their teams on the comings and goings. I tend to believe, it is better to try and keep some things quiet. For instance, a list of names you offered up for trade. I see no upside in having players, that are still with the organization, told we tried to unload you.

  2. xjokerz - Aug 1, 2014 at 5:33 PM

    i remember when the Tigers sent baseballs top prospect, Andrew Miller..and 7th ranked prospect Cameron Maybin to the Marlins for Miggy and Dontrelle Willis.

    Prospects are just that.


  3. jdd428 - Aug 1, 2014 at 5:39 PM

    The Buccos have a pretty strong Top 10 list and to think that Huntington at least made the effort to use some of those pieces and try to get Price should be encouraging. He shouldn’t be blamed for the TB organization choosing to go a different direction.

    • xjokerz - Aug 1, 2014 at 5:45 PM

      for what its worth, Drew Smyly is a solid number 2 or 3 in the Rays rotation.

      • pappageorgio - Aug 2, 2014 at 11:50 AM

        Yeah….Smiyly is underrated. He’s still a little inconsistent but has improved every year and is more valuable than people are giving credit for. I heard one of the talking heads refer to him as a “journeyman” pitcher and laughed hard at that one.

        Considering the way the rays do business (I mean the small market way) they really didn’t come off as bad as people are saying.

  4. 13arod - Aug 1, 2014 at 6:03 PM

    xjokerz so u think he is going Ito start over Cobb and archer 😂😂😂

    • jrob23 - Aug 1, 2014 at 7:14 PM

      He’ll be their 4th

  5. shawnuel - Aug 1, 2014 at 7:04 PM

    With Price gone, TB has 3 or 4 solid # 3’s in their rotation, once Moore is back from TJ surgery.

    • raysfan1 - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:19 PM

      My, we are undervaluing Matt Moore’s ceiling.

  6. corvetteman6 - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:29 PM

    As a Pirates fan I can only say that I hope the Rays management enjoys the distrust of its fan base and the team clubhouse after this asinine trade Let’s be truthful…you gave him away
    If you’re going the talent now model, then you follow the Red Sox path
    Instead, you allowed your team to be fleeced when there was absolutely no pressure to trade
    Gammons just confirms what we in Pittsburgh suspected. The Rays played games with
    Bucs brass and then just peed themselves at the 11th hour
    Given the mid level talent they received for a superstar I can only wish I’d meet ownership in the real world to conduct business of my own

    • chew1985 - Aug 2, 2014 at 5:55 AM

      A lot of wishful thinking there. Bottom line is that the Pirates did nothing at the deadline so rack up another title for the Cardinals. I’m not a Cardinal fan, but they did what they had to do to secure the division. The Pirates did not. Now it’s a free-for-all with the Reds for sloppy seconds.

      • 6superbowls - Aug 2, 2014 at 11:11 AM

        Without Molina, the Cards are a wild card team at best.

      • corvetteman6 - Aug 2, 2014 at 11:15 AM

        You’re neatly disregarding the Brewers, who I believe are much more formidable than the Reds and have shown a helluva lot more offensive punch than the Cardinals thus far. I actually think St Louis did more to hurt themselves with their trades but who knows, maybe Carpenter and Holliday will catch fire
        My only fault with the Pirates in all of this is their continued failure to see the bigger picture. You have what looks to be a 5-7 year outfield in place. If that’s the case, why horde prospects down at A and AA? The same goes for pitching
        At the same time, you have a ready made DH down at 3rd and a fireballing middle reliever who could use a change of scenery Getting Price would have been nice but with holes at 1st, 3rd and a weak bench, it wouldn’t have been enough

  7. penguins87and71 - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:01 PM

    This offseason will truly tell if the Pirates ownership is truly all in to win. Are they going to sign Russell Martin and Neil Walker? Yes they are a small market team, but with the tv revenue shares, and the sellouts they have had these past 3 years, and making the Playoffs. They probably have a lot more money then people think.

    • 6superbowls - Aug 2, 2014 at 11:17 AM

      Don’t hold your breath waiting for Nutting to open his wallet any more than he already has. He’s proven a liar when the team stated to it’s fans, “show up and we’ll sign more players”. Takes some cahonies to tell the fans to show up more and he’ll spend money, then renege when they do (a la this past off season). He’s not interested in winning a WS. He’s interested in fattening his pockets and that’s it.

      • corvetteman6 - Aug 2, 2014 at 11:29 AM

        Nutting was astute enough to observe that fireworks, concerts and bobble heads at the most beautiful baseball park in the world alone put fannies in the seats during his run as owner. Now he is looking the walk the tightrope between “contending” and bringing in second tier trade or free agent targets. Between attendance, new television revenue and playoff cash among other funding, the guy is making a great profit and merely has his journalist friends write and scream “small market” every time something falls through. Nice
        Rental players like Byrd and Morneau are one thing but trading for and signing guys like this for a longer period is not in the Nutting playbook

  8. tomgiles1961 - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:38 PM

    You can’t be bitter if Tampa took a different offer, they have had great success trading off assets and know what they are looking for. If they thought the Pirates offer was better they would have taken it. It seems to me that Price should have fetched a higher return, but if it was out there they would have grabbed it.

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