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Allen Craig found out he was traded by a TV report; Joe Kelly learned it on Twitter*

Aug 1, 2014, 8:55 AM EDT

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UPDATE: The original post had how Kelly and Craig learned about the trade backwards (as the Joe Strauss column I read had it backwards). Derrick Goold’s newser on the story has it correct:

Craig, an All-Star just a year ago, was sitting in a room off the clubhouse with teammates when he heard about the trade on the television. Kelly read it first on Twitter. Other players heard about it first from the media or a website.

The original post also had a lot of good things to say about Strauss’ column on the story. And I think it is still well written and makes some good points in an engaging fashion. But given the error on the Kelly/Craig thing, well caveat emptor. Maybe just go read Goold’s story instead.

  1. bfunk1978 - Aug 1, 2014 at 8:57 AM

    That’s actually backwards from how Derrick Goold reported it (and it makes sense, since Kelly is on Twitter but Craig isn’t that I know of), but all the same – it’s part of the information age and some team with loose lips.

    • SocraticGadfly - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM

      Miklasz had a very good column, IMO, on the trade.

      He said Mozeliak made both pitcher trades, and even the Pierzynski pick-up, for an attitude adjustment as well as baseball skills, namely that the team was a bit lackadaisical/nice guy … and that that included Mr. Matheny as well as a lot of the players, especially some of “his guys.”

      • bfunk1978 - Aug 1, 2014 at 11:41 AM

        I love Bernie. This team needed an attitude adjustment. And Ken Rosenthal is saying people are pissed in the Cardinals clubhouse, as if treading water a few games over .500 is the goal and Mozeliak/fans should have been happy with it. I say if players are pissed that’s good; they can join the fanbase in that attribute.

      • SocraticGadfly - Aug 1, 2014 at 12:45 PM

        Danged skippy on that. I like that this seems to have been directed at Matheny as well as the players.

  2. Paper Lions - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:13 AM

    Perils of trading with Boston? The Boston sports media seems very plugged in to the Red Sox FO and have tenacious competition to be the first to announce anything.

    • NatsLady - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:22 AM

      It is amazing how much leaks from the Boston front-office. Nats fans speculated all day about a trade, which was clearly needed, and yet we had no idea which guy Rizzo was targeting, whether it was going to be a blockbuster (Beltre), a three-team deal, etc. Crickets. Zach Walters got called into the manager’s office, and sure, he was surprised, because his name had not once been mentioned in any speculation, not once.

      • rrsm53 - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:35 AM

        the issue with the red sox is one of the owners Larry I am a tool Lucchino. He is one of the most pathetic individual ever. He wants the world to know who runs the show. It is his way or the highway.

      • 18thstreet - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:15 AM

        Then it’s a shame that Nats fans don’t have better media working on their behalf.

      • SocraticGadfly - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:52 AM

        @18thstreet – Per something here earlier this week, maybe that’s tied with MASN and Angelos is squelching better Nats analysis coverage? :)

    • quintjs - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:41 AM

      I am not saying the Red Sox FO doesn’t have a few minor holes (read gaping chasm) when dealing with the Press but its trading season, the amount of names from one million sources get thrown around this time of year. This isn’t just a Red Sox problem, and this isn’t the first time a player has found out the were traded from the media.

      I have read the Sox were requsting multiple top prospects at one point for guys like Lester and Lackey – I doubt the Red Sox front office has been out boasting how they wanted top young prospects and ended up with a back-end rotation starter who many think will end up in the Bullpen and a guy with 3 years left on a backloaded contract who isn’t playing well. So where did that come from? other teams of course.

      The Red Sox FO does not leak any significantly more or less than the majority of teams arond the place, but appearently is proudly going to repeat for the fifth or sixth straight year as the team most likely to stab you in the back once you leave, that is the area the one area in dealing with the press where they are different.

      • quintjs - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:46 AM

        And the interesting thing is with the Sox FO this has mostly been a recent development – if you go back a few years they were the surprise winners of the Matsuzaka sweepstakes, no one really thought they were as serious as the Yankees (it was going to be between Seattle and the Yankees), people found out about the Lackey signing when someone tweeted out they spotted Lackey at the airport.. Boston used to be a very tight ship…

      • Paper Lions - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:54 AM

        I don’t know…that was why I posed it as a question…simply because this is not the MO of the Cardinals, they typically have few leaks and work hard to ensure that the local media is kept at arms length…which doesn’t mean it isn’t their fault…BUT, the deal was agreed to the night before, Boston is on the east coast, and the Cardinals were playing in SD….which gives plenty of time and the time zone advantage for the Boston media to get word and get word out.

      • quintjs - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:59 AM

        Paper – this leak absolutely came from the Red Sox, it was Gammons who first reported it. I am just saying people jump up and down on the RS front office as if they are the only ones who do this. This isn’t a problem with the Red Sox but with the way most teams operate – they use the media to further their own agenda. If Kelly and Craig got traded to the Yankees they probably would have found out the same way from a report of the NY Post or something. And this isn’t picking on the Yankees – this is what happens nowadays and if it didn’t happen with most to all teams we wouldn’t track the trade deadlines because there would be no information until after the deadline and the press releases were issued.

      • Paper Lions - Aug 1, 2014 at 12:25 PM

        That is all fine and likely true. All I am saying is that the Cardinals really don’t have relationships with the local media that result in “furthering their agenda”. The relationships are not adversarial…but they are pretty frigid. The FO will tell them what they want to tell them and won’t tell them anything else. That leads to a lot of speculation by and frustration from local media members, but one thing they are not is an extension of any FO PR machine..

      • SocraticGadfly - Aug 1, 2014 at 12:46 PM

        This is the same Sox that were leaking to the media the idea that the Cards were interested in Peavy. I’d say take anything out of Fenway Park corner suites with a big grain of salt.

  3. koufaxmitzvah - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:21 AM

    Must be that Cardinals Way I’ve heard so much about.

    • bfunk1978 - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:24 AM

      There are two teams (or more) in every deal. The Cardinals are notoriously tight-lipped, which is why you didn’t hear about Masterson until it happened. The Red Sox front office is incredibly leaky.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:26 AM

        “Pssst…. Hey, Joe.”
        “We might be making a trade. Just a head’s up?”
        “Uh…. okay, I guess….”

        “Pssst…. Al….”
        “We’re in cahoots for some pitching. Just thought you should know. Things may happen before the end of this trip, so….”
        “Okay. Thanks.”

      • bfunk1978 - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:45 AM

        And then the player blabs.

      • hustleandflomax - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:37 AM

        I know how quickly word travels these days with all the news outlets and social media, but if true, this is pretty crappy. Craig, more so than Kelly, has been a pretty big part of the Cardinals’ recent success and deserved better than this. I’m sure this isn’t the first or last time that players found out they were being moved through the media–but it’s still pretty embarrassing for the Cardinals’ front office.

      • twinfan24 - Aug 1, 2014 at 5:39 PM

        Sorry, but you can’t tell players ahead of time these days. If the trade falls through, they take it as a personal affront that they were possibly dangled in a potential trade and get all pissy.

    • stlouis1baseball - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:50 AM

      It’s pretty obvious where the leak(s) came from Sandy…and it damn sure wasn’t the Cardinals organization. After all, I am sure you would agree the “Cardinal Way” doesn’t involve cluing the media in to your every move. You…Boston style?

      Since J. Kelly is gone…you are gonna’ have to find someone else to bitch about! Lol!

      • koufaxmitzvah - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:01 AM

        For what it’s worth, Lou, since the Dodgers won’t face the Cards until more than likely 2015, I really hadn’t been thinking about your Red Birds. I do find it pleasant that JoKe has gone from pennant race to basement in less than 5 minutes. I will say, your team giving up on Craig is a bit of a shock. I thought the guy exhumed Cardinal Baseball, but alas….

      • stlouis1baseball - Aug 1, 2014 at 11:22 AM

        I can now admit I chuckle when I see the ‘K’ in Joe.
        Funny how that happens when a guy stops wearing the Birds on the Bat. And I am with you in regards to AC. But he has fallen so fast (and so low) that it will make your head spin. To bad really.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Aug 1, 2014 at 12:33 PM

        You misunderstood. I didn’t just put a K in his name. His first two letters of each name spell Jo Ke. So it’s God doing that, not me.

    • blacksables - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:57 AM

      You’ve confused a professional team with the Dodgers.

    • SocraticGadfly - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:56 AM

      Sandy, let us know when the Dodgers actually get through a round or two of playoffs, OK?

      @stlouis1baseball and all As for Craig? Per the Bernie link I posted up top, while it’s too bad the Cards weren’t able to provide better notification, if Miklasz is right, I won’t really miss Craig.

      Lions and others have noted how he’s seemed not only lost at the plate but bedraggled afterward. Maybe he needed to be surly instead of nice guy, or whatever.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Aug 1, 2014 at 12:32 PM

        Uh… They got through the first round last year. The first full year under new ownership.

        Does that count?

      • SocraticGadfly - Aug 1, 2014 at 12:50 PM

        Beginners’ luck?

        That said, let’s see when you get past the NLCS to the big show.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Aug 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM

        But I answered your question. You can’t change the question after posting the question… Is that even legal?

      • bfunk1978 - Aug 1, 2014 at 4:51 PM

        Note that Craig’s last game as a Cardinal ended with his head in his hands after striking out. That’s kind of a microcosm of his season. I hope he gets it back with Boston – he’s starting tonight in LF.

      • SocraticGadfly - Aug 1, 2014 at 6:54 PM

        Koufax, I said:

        Sandy, let us know when the Dodgers actually get through a round or two of playoffs, OK?

        The “beginners’ luck” follow-up was rhetorical, but the “or two” lets me ask about the NLCS, because it was in the original question.

  4. beepbeepbeeplgb - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:29 AM

    “Strauss drives me absolutely nuts sometimes, especially on Twitter. But this is a great column.”

    he is definitely an internet troll who loves to get a rise out of cardinal fans. sounds like another writer i read quite often….

    • bfunk1978 - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:44 AM

      Don’t let Craig fool you. The only way Strauss drives him nuts is because he’s way way more advanced.

      Joe Strauss is the master. Craig Calcaterra is the student.

      • nbjays - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:02 AM

        The proper term is padawan.

      • bfunk1978 - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:34 AM

        @nbjays I’m not really into harry potter.

      • jc4455 - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:18 AM

        You knew they’d get together at some point. Their missions are too closely aligned.

      • bfunk1978 - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:34 AM

        I guess this is true.

      • blacksables - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:25 AM

        You are so completely wrong. I don”t agree with everything Craig writes, but he is definitely the master.

        He’s the guy who started off as blogger doing his own blog, and is now writing for pay for a large corporation.

        Sounds like he’s graduated at the head of the class.

      • bfunk1978 - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:35 AM

        @blacksables this has zero to do with being a troll on the internet. Strauss was ruffling bird feathers (and pissing me off on TV when FSMidwest used to let him on the pregame show) when Calcaterra was still in law school.

  5. psousa1 - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:31 AM

    No the Red Sox front office no longer have leaks – Theo is gone. Now Theo no longer has anything to leak. His team is still two years away from being 3 years away.

    • asimonetti88 - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:44 AM

      Now they just bash players on their way out.

      • 18thstreet - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:18 AM

        The AJP bashing came from unnamed players, not the front office. But believe whatever you want to believe and repeat it as often as you want.

    • jwbiii - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:52 AM

      Epstein has moved on to the Cubs. They aren’t throwing darts at players as they head out the door. The practice continues in Boston.

  6. rrsm53 - Aug 1, 2014 at 9:36 AM

    @psousa1 no leaks from the redsox front office ok you live in fantasy land.

    • 18thstreet - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:19 AM

      The front office should use all the tools at its disposal to improve the team. I assume media leaks are part of that strategy. It would be malpractice to do otherwise.

      The point is to win.

  7. jc4455 - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    lol, Calc and Strauss trolling Cards fan the day after the trade deadline. Subtle Craig, very subtle.

  8. earpaniac - Aug 1, 2014 at 10:22 AM

    The Cardinal way!

  9. corvetteman6 - Aug 1, 2014 at 11:34 AM

    As a Pirates fan, I am glad the Cardinals got rid of a bat
    I am happy they gave away Kelly and kept the wildly overrated
    Lynn and Miller. I don’t see much in Masterson and think this all did
    more to hurt the team

    • SocraticGadfly - Aug 1, 2014 at 1:45 PM

      Lemme see … Lynn’s never had serious injury problems and every year has an FIP below 3.5. Joe Kelly is barely under 4 this year for the first time in his career, and, of course, missed half the season.

      And, you think Kelly is better why? “Grit” + nerd glasses?

      And, Miller, other than his cup of coffee in 2012, hasn’t gotten below 3.5 on the FIP, either.

      I’m not (currently) a huge fan of Masterson, but we shall se.

      Otherwise, that’s simply fantastic analysis.

    • missingdiz - Aug 1, 2014 at 2:07 PM

      I think getting rid of Craig’s bat is the best thing about this trade–at least it’s the aspect most likely to benefit the team. I wish Craig could have turned it around–we have the same alma mater, and not many Bears go on to the MLB. MM gave him plenty of time, but he wasn’t getting better. Now Taveras can play every day and find his groove. I’m not so sure Lackey will be better than Kelly, but obviously at this stage one can only hope he is. Masterson is a mystery–I hope management knows something we don’t.

    • hustleandflomax - Aug 1, 2014 at 5:14 PM

      Kelly wasn’t that great. He has good ‘stuff’, but he can’t really control it well enough for it to be effective. Kelly was more of a ‘throw-in” than an actual piece. Sure, he’s 25 years old and has good velocity and the luxury of time to turn it around and be a productive #3 or 4 guy. But there are many Joe Kellys in baseball and most of them are career minor leaguers or mop-up guys. Craig was struggling SO bad. In fact, I’m kinda thinking that the Cards managed to fleece Boston a little because Allen hasn’t been the same since that injury he suffered late last year. The Cards got a tried-and-true veteran arm that could help down the stretch, a la Chuck Finley circa 2002.

      • hustleandflomax - Aug 1, 2014 at 5:21 PM

        Oh, and I’m actually pretty optimistic about acquiring Masterson. I’m thinking a change of scenery with a chance to make a difference on a contender might get his competitive juices flowing…plus he won’t be expected to be a front-of-the-rotation guy in St. Louis like he had been in Cleveland in previous years.

  10. Steven Keys - Aug 2, 2014 at 12:22 AM

    I don’t care how the other reporters did or didn’t do it. I’m here now and just want to know the facts, which, I think, is that Craig and Kelly found out second hand.

    The general impression around the nation is that the St. Louis Cardinals organization is a class operation. Maybe a little tight with money at times but professional all the way, and a history of success to atest. But this poor handling of their valued employees was childish in its ineptitude. Musial would be ticked.

  11. shoeflypie - Aug 2, 2014 at 8:09 AM

    The Email is in the mail.

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