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HBT Daily: The Arizona Dbacks Grit Patrol embarrasses itself once again

Aug 4, 2014, 2:31 PM EDT

Over the weekend Matthew wrote about the embarrassment that was the Diamondbacks’ plunking of Andrew McCutchen on Saturday night. Today on HBT Daily, Matt Stroup and I talk about it some more.

  1. Conner012367 - Aug 4, 2014 at 2:41 PM

    I agree fire Kirk Gibson, and if i was the commissioner of the MLB, i’d make sure he would never manage another team ever again because this kinda stuff is stupid and shouldn’t be allowed in baseball.

  2. tmc602014 - Aug 4, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    It’s long since decided that MLB wants to maintain tradition, but also protect it’s product. The new collision rule is an example of protecting the product. I don’t know if it’s just the media, do we have any solid evidence that Kirk Gibson is promoting an agenda that is harmful to opposing players? If so, Gibson needs to be punished. The rules are clear about warnings and ejections but we need to go farther. I’ve been guilty of joking about Gibson’s old-timey approach but it isn’t funny anymore. Gibson needs a long vacation – like to the end of the season.

    • gbrim - Aug 4, 2014 at 3:33 PM

      Craig C. is certainly riled up about this incident. Here is what the umpires chose to do after Goldschmidt was hit in game 2 of the series:

      Game 3– No warnings. McCutcheon was hit by Delgado. Delgado was ejected.

      Game 4– No warnings and no incidents.

      There will be no further punishment for Delgado because no warnings were issued prior to game 3 of the series. The umpires must not have been concerned about further trouble because no warnings were issued for game 4 of the series.

      I don’t think this deserves the attention its being given on this site.

      • uwsptke - Aug 4, 2014 at 3:49 PM

        There were no warnings issued because the pitch to Goldschmidt was without malice. Only a crazy person (i.e., Gibson) would hatch a plan to throw intentionally at McCutcheon late in the next game as some sort of “revenge.”

        To paraphrase Kyle Lohse, “They won tough guy points today. But I don’t know where those show up in the stat sheet”.

      • gbrim - Aug 4, 2014 at 5:47 PM

        OK, uwsptke, no warnings after game 2. But the subject was immediately a big deal on this site. Then, no warnings after Delgado plunked McCutcheon. The umpires must not have seen the problem so prominently presented on this website. That is my point.

  3. mlbfan8898 - Aug 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM

    Quit crying Craig. Worry about your precious Dodgers and quit writing biased articles.

    • slappymcknucklepunch - Aug 4, 2014 at 8:10 PM

      You are neither a mlb fan or an 8898, nor are you a frequent reader of this site or you would know C.C is a Braves fan.PFT is up and to the left.

  4. andreweac - Aug 4, 2014 at 3:53 PM

    I fear for Craig’s life if he ever meets Kirk Gibson. Gibby doesn’t like it when people question his gritty perspective.

  5. downvotesforeveryone - Aug 4, 2014 at 4:04 PM

    I like how Miguel Montero’s sign to hit McCutchen was a middle finger towards Cutch.

    These guys have a close-up and a gif of it.

    • wahoo21 - Aug 4, 2014 at 8:08 PM

      Montero actually started moving behind McCutchen before the pitch was even thrown. Major league pitchers don’t miss by the margin Delgado missed by….he hit his spot and that was McCutchens back. Absolutly intentional and the thing about baseball is that the Pirates will not forget……..I would bet that they get payback next year especially if McCutchen misses the rest of the month or season and cost the Pirates a shot at the playoffs.
      Gibson is a joke and should be out of baseball and Towers days are numbered

      • slappymcknucklepunch - Aug 4, 2014 at 8:19 PM

        THIS…. this is why intentional beanings need to be outlawed.FFS,are you telling me some rookie who is having a good spring for Arizona(after they clean house I hope)has to take one in the ribs becuase of 9 months before?F-that.

  6. yankeessuckameanone - Aug 4, 2014 at 4:07 PM

    I love how no one made a big deal, even you Craig, when Kershaw hit Holiday after Ramirez was hit. And don’t give me that crap that Kershaw did it the right way because he hit him immediately after because you are the same people who say the unwritten rules are bs but are ok with them when Kershaw did it in a way you accept. Quit being a bunch of hypocrites on this. How about you call out the Rays or Red Sox for the times they intentionally hit players.

    • stercuilus65 - Aug 4, 2014 at 5:31 PM

      Kershaw hit him on the leg, which is the “right” way because while it hurts it’s unlikely to cause injury. Get it?

      • slappymcknucklepunch - Aug 4, 2014 at 9:56 PM

        While I get where you are coming from,NO, there is no right way to hit someone on purpose.

      • gloccamorra - Aug 5, 2014 at 3:12 PM

        Slappy, you need to read up on baseball history. Don Drysdale once had runners in scoring position and first base open, and the catcher signaled for an intentional walk. Drysdale bounced a fastball on the batter’s hip. Asked about it after the game, he told the writers, “The manager told me to put him on. Why waste four pitches when you can get it done with one?”

        Back in the 1960s, it was common practice in the American League to knock down the next batter after a home run. Guys just got up, dusted themselves off, and enjoyed being ahead in the count.

        Then there’s Johnny Bench, describing facing Bob Gibson for the first time: “my first time up, I got a single. My second time up, I got a double. My third time up, I got a fastball in the ribs.” The interviewer asked “what did you do?” Bench answered, “I put my head down, went to first and kept my mouth shut. My teammates had told me, ‘don’t mouth off to Gibson, he’ll come over and rip your head off’.”

        Back to Don Drysdale, who hit Mickey Mantle IN A WORLD SERIES GAME. After the game, Drysdale went over to the Yankees clubhouse, looked at the welt on Mantle’s forearm, and asked to autograph it!

        Do I need to mention Nolan Ryan and Robin Ventura?

        The bottom line is that this stuff has always gone on, and you can tell the newbies by their outrage.

  7. stercuilus65 - Aug 4, 2014 at 5:32 PM

    Boy it’s too bad the Cardinals didn’t so go wild with their “accidental” hitting of players on AZ like they love to do against the Dodgers. Gibby would have gone nuclear on them!

  8. mlbfan8898 - Aug 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    I’m sure if Kershaw hit him in the back, you would have been absolutely fine with it. He can do no wrong according to you and some writers.

    • stercuilus65 - Aug 4, 2014 at 7:59 PM

      Sounds like you have a childish obsessive hatred of Kershaw. Let me guess, Cards fan?

  9. yankeessuckameanone - Aug 4, 2014 at 5:54 PM

    No I don’t get it. He didn’t throw at his head so what’s the big deal? Get over it. And the next time Kershaw plunks a guy, get off of your knees and be as outraged as you are whenever the Diamondbacks do it.

    • illuminancer - Aug 4, 2014 at 7:48 PM

      I actually don’t necessarily object to a plunking, but there’s a way to do it, and if the Dbacks are going to be all old-school, then do it right. You hit McCutcheon when he first comes up the next game, not in the 9th with two on. And you either hit him or don’t, none of this throw at him, miss, throw a slider, and then plunk him on the third pitch of the at-bat.

    • stercuilus65 - Aug 4, 2014 at 8:00 PM

      Kershaw doesn’t hit people in the back. Learn the game of baseball and get over it.

  10. leroysbutler - Aug 4, 2014 at 6:23 PM

    Everyone wants Gibson fired but how is he any different than LaRussa.

    • ryanaammess - Aug 4, 2014 at 6:51 PM

      Tony won games.

      • slappymcknucklepunch - Aug 4, 2014 at 10:08 PM


  11. randomjoeblow - Aug 4, 2014 at 8:33 PM

    Craig loves to wait until it’s a team like the Diamondbacks so he can get super self-righteous and complain incessantly. With most other teams, it’s one of those things that kind of sucks but happens in the game…but a team like the D’Backs does it and Craig can go all out with his selective aggression..

  12. mlbfan8898 - Aug 4, 2014 at 9:08 PM

    You all would be screaming bloody murder even if they hit Cutch in his first at bat. There’s no pleasing you when you are out for blood against that team. And I never said the Dodgers are Craig’s favorite team. It is pretty obvious, based on his articles, he has a hard-on for Puig and Kershaw. And yes, I am an active reader on this site because as awful as Craig is at blogging, it’s better then reading anything from ESPN.

    • slappymcknucklepunch - Aug 4, 2014 at 10:15 PM

      Point one:I doubt it.
      Point two:I do not see CC “out for that team”.
      Point three”I think all of us has a “hard-on” for those players as they are the best in the biz and therefore notable.
      Point four:1,000 percent right,ESPN now sucks.

  13. mlbfan8898 - Aug 4, 2014 at 10:04 PM

    Agree to disagree. Thanks for not being a douche and resorting to name calling just because you don’t agree with my observation.

    • slappymcknucklepunch - Aug 4, 2014 at 10:25 PM

      If this was directed at me,thank you, I try never to attack anyone unless provoked.We all have opinions that almost never are super-popular, but I try to encourage people to put in thier two cents.

  14. joecb91 - Aug 5, 2014 at 2:37 AM

    Dbacks fan, and I can’t wait until KT and Gibby are shipped out. They have destroyed this team.

  15. jwbiii - Aug 5, 2014 at 11:40 AM

    This thread is missing one of Craig’s key points: Kevin Towers is not good at generally managing, or at least not the trading part. His only win so far was Kelly Johnson to the Blue Jays for Aaron Hill and John McDonald. Three relievers to the Indians for Didi Gregorius and two others will probably go in the win column eventually.

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