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It looks like Terry Collins is going to be back next year

Aug 13, 2014, 4:52 PM EST

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Terry Collins is under contract for 2015, but this is New York and there are always people wondering when the manager will be fired. Jon Heyman reports that, for the Mets, it’s not likely to be this offseason: Terry Collins is likely to be brought back for a fifth season as Mets manager in 2015. It’s unclear if they’ll extend him or have him come back as a lame duck.

Makes sense to me. The Mets aren’t great but they aren’t playing below their talent level. They have improved slowly but steadily. The young players have generally developed well. Most importantly, Collins has not stepped on any land mines and the Mets clubhouse has been, for the most part, pretty drama free. That’s a huge accomplishment in Queens.

 

  1. nymrkg - Aug 13, 2014 at 5:03 PM

    Terry Collins will stay, Sandy Alderson will continue to not add payroll, and the Wilpons will not be forced to sell even though they have continued to run the NY Mets like the KC Royals. The sad part is if the Mets had a payroll like the Dodgers, Yankees, Angels, Red Sox, etc. we could have a great team.

    • clarenceoveur - Aug 13, 2014 at 5:28 PM

      Glad Collins coming back. If most of Harvey, Wheeler, Syndegard, deGrom, Niese and Gee could stay healthy they have a nice rotation. Maybe Wilpon’s would pay up for a couple hitters……OK, who am I kidding, we’re small market now, they’ll try to get lucky with some 36 year old non roster invitees.

    • boonert - Aug 13, 2014 at 5:34 PM

      Alderson will increase payroll when it’s appropriate to do so. It just amazes me that you people continue to fixate on spending wildly is the answer. It’s what got them in this mess to begin with. It’s what got the Phillies into the mess they’re in now. But I guess spending money stupidly is the only way to prove you care.

      • nymrkg - Aug 13, 2014 at 5:42 PM

        It’s not just about spending, the Wilpons should have been forced to sell a long time ago. They were caught in the Bernie Madoff scandal and have been in debt ever since. They also charge top 5 ticket prices when they are bottom 5 in payroll (NY is the #1 baseball market). There has been no indication that they can expand the payroll either. The only reason they still have the team is because of their relationship with Selig. Look at how new ownership turned the Dodgers around.

      • jwbiii - Aug 14, 2014 at 1:37 AM

        By what measure is New York the #1 market other than population?

        By total attendance, NY is #3:

        LAD #1, LAA #5   5,103,589 
        SFG #3, Oak #24  3,971,814 
        NYY #5, NYM #23  3,962,914 
        ChC #13, ChW #28 3,055,187
         
        By attendance per game, NY is #6:
        StL  43,503
        LA   42,530
        Bos  36,516 (last place team)
        Det  35,565
        Tex  35,504 (last place team)
        NY   34,762

        source: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/current_attendance.shtml

        By television ratings, NY is #13:

        Det  8.38
        StL  7.56
        Pit  7.56
        Cin  7.01
        Cle  6.73
        SF   6.38
        Mil  6.16
        Bal  6.03
        KCR  5.93
        Sea  5.72
        Bos  5.64
        SF   4.86 
        NY   5.29

        The Dodgers and Astros are having carriage problems.
        source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2014/08/05/mlb-telecasts-on-regional-sports-networks-dominate-prime-time-television/

        Los Angeles, San Francisco, St. Louis, Boston, and Detroit best New York in two of these three measures. Texas, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Baltimore, Kansas City, and Seattle best them in one. It's a stretch to list New York as top 5 baseball market in anything but market size. What good is it to have a huge population that isn't particularly disposed to watching games in person or especially on television?

        The Mets average ticket price is $25.30, below the MLB average of $27.83, which seems appropriate for a team a bit below .500.
        source: https://www.teammarketing.com/public/uploadedPDFs/2014+mlb+fci.pdf

        Under what grounds would MLB, the other owners, force Fred Wilpon to sell? Lots of owners run, or at times have run, their teams like cheap SOBs. That's not a can of worms that MLB, the other owners, have any intention of opening. Drayton McLane was forced to sell the Astros and Frank McCourt was forced to sell the Dodgers but not until their teams were in bankruptcy. MLB wants to keep Wilpon as the Mets owner, as evidenced by the loan they gave him.

      • jwbiii - Aug 14, 2014 at 1:42 AM

        And Paper Lions hit on several of my points a few hours ago and a comment below mine.

      • jwbiii - Aug 14, 2014 at 1:47 AM

        Oh, and by “average ticket price” Team Marketing means “mean ticket price,” just so there’s no confusion about the inexact term “average.”

    • Paper Lions - Aug 13, 2014 at 8:28 PM

      On what basis do you think the Wilpons should be force to sell?

      Incompetence is not a basis or pretty much every owner would have been forced to sell at some point.

      They have been able to pay their bills and run the club. Despite their financial difficulties, there hasn’t even been a whisper of bankruptcy.

      There is no “you aren’t spending as much money as we’d like so we are going to force you to sell” clause in the MLB charter.

      • chill1184 - Aug 13, 2014 at 8:48 PM

        They got a loan to stay afloat when was the last time in MLB that the league gave an owner a loan to stay in charge. I know you and every other baseball fan enjoys this but lets face facts. If this was a media darling team, the owner would’ve been ousted by now.

      • Paper Lions - Aug 13, 2014 at 8:56 PM

        It is not uncommon for MLB to make loans to teams.

        Feel free to point out a single team that has ever been forced to sell that didn’t declare bankruptcy or fail to make payroll. If an owner can borrow the money he/she needs and pay back those loans, then they can keep the team if they want. The Mets haven’t received any special treatment.

        The fact that people think the Mets are a media darling cracks me up…nothing could be further from the truth.

  2. PayBonnilla - Aug 13, 2014 at 5:22 PM

    This is the opposite of wise. This is beyond disappointing to me, all the players who have emerged this year have done so despite Collins. Mejia and Familia only got to dominate the backend of the bullpen once Collins was no longer able to pick Farnsworth and Valverde. This is the same guy who has played Chris Young constantly this year before he got released, and played Rick Ankiel over Juan Lagares last year. Heck, WIlmer Flores could suck but it was only until recently that Collins finally let him play over Tejada. This is horrible news.

    • nymrkg - Aug 13, 2014 at 5:28 PM

      Even for the people that like Terry Collins, they must admit the Mets need a change. The guy has lead us to four straight losing seasons. Although he hasn’t had great players, and it isn’t entirely his fault, it’s time for a change. Show the fans that losing is not acceptable

      • Paper Lions - Aug 13, 2014 at 8:30 PM

        There isn’t a person in the world that could have managed the teams the Mets fielded the last 4 years to a single winning season. Not one. I am not advocating for Collins, but judging a manager by wins and losses while ignoring talent is silly.

      • dan1111 - Aug 14, 2014 at 7:12 AM

        Show that losing is unacceptable by firing someone who had nothing to do with it. Yay!

  3. adenzeno - Aug 13, 2014 at 5:28 PM

    Very sad news for us Mets fans..While TC may be good wi the clubhouse, he burns out pitchers and is not very astute in his judgment of talent IMHO…

  4. trbmb - Aug 13, 2014 at 5:31 PM

    All NY Met fans should relax. The dynamic and charismatic Jeff Wilpon is waiting in the wings to take charge from daddy.

    • mrznyc - Aug 14, 2014 at 8:46 AM

      New York City sports play under the cloud of the “Idiot Son”

  5. chill1184 - Aug 13, 2014 at 5:46 PM

    Meh, the MLB manager doesnt really affect a team as much as an NFL, NBA and NHL head coach does. But of course the real issue aka broke ownership is never addressed in the media because thats what they want.

  6. uuddlrlrbastart - Aug 13, 2014 at 6:09 PM

    Season by season wins under Collins – 77, 74, 74, on pace for 77. They’ve played at or below their run differential every year. Once the season is over, he will tie Gil Hodges as the fourth longest tenured Mets manager. Ahead are Johnson (2 postseasons, 1 world series, no losing seasons), Valentine (2 postseasons, 5 of 6 winning seasons), and Torre (4 miserable seasons).

    I accept that a manager may not have a huge impact. But the fact is they haven’t had a winning season under him. And the argument that he’s gotten as much out of this team as anyone could is absurd on the face of it.

    Baffling in-game decisions, randomly trashing players in the press. How is four years not enough?

  7. sdelmonte - Aug 13, 2014 at 6:33 PM

    Seems I am in the minority here in liking TC. But I agree with Craig: no drama in this job is worth something. Though I expect some drama soon when the Mets tell Harvey to slow it down because of Hefner.

    Never thought we would see two NYC managers so adept at managing the media. Girardi seems to be doing as good a job with that as with his messed up team.

  8. theuncletodd - Aug 13, 2014 at 8:48 PM

    Why?

  9. arizonagrit - Aug 13, 2014 at 11:32 PM

    I’d extend him to 2016, then see what he does with the club. He’s kept them somewhat respectable the last few years.

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