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Mike Scioscia: Josh Hamilton is “not the same player” he was with the Rangers

Aug 17, 2014, 6:05 PM EST

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Angels manager Mike Scioscia wasn’t very complimentary of outfielder Josh Hamilton, as Gerry Fraley of the Dallas Morning News reports. Hamilton went 1-for-4 with a double and three strikesouts in Saturday’s 5-4 win over the Rangers, a day after going 1-for-5 with a single and four strikeouts in another 5-4 win over the Rangers.

Here’s what Scioscia had to say about his outfielder:

“Josh is not the same that we saw when we were looking at the other dugout,” Scioscia said. “He’s not in the batter’s box with the confidence we know he has. He’s not attacking the ball like he can. He’s working hard to try to find it …but we need him to do what he’s capable of doing, or close to that.”

Hamilton entered Sunday’s action with only eight home runs, 35 RBI, and a .266/.339/.414 slash line in 313 plate appearances. The 33-year-old veteran missed about two months of the season between early April and early June after undergoing surgery on the UCL ligament in his left thumb. Hamilton has been underwhelming in two seasons with the Angels after signing a five-year, $125 million contract in December 2012.

  1. pisano - Aug 17, 2014 at 6:21 PM

    Brilliant Mike, here’s a clue, he’s older now, and he’s probably off the juice.

    • klingonj - Aug 17, 2014 at 6:39 PM

      I can hear Chevy Chase “this just in…….Generalissimo Franco is still dead”

    • raysfan1 - Aug 17, 2014 at 7:15 PM

      No need for the gratuitous, evidence-free PED accusation.

      He is older and was starting to decline before the Angels signed him.

  2. herrcules13 - Aug 17, 2014 at 6:45 PM

    He’s the same as he was the last season with the Rangers. Ridiculous that ya didn’t see that coming.

    • mitch079 - Aug 17, 2014 at 11:30 PM

      When he hit .285 with 43 homers and 128 rbi’s? You sure about that?

      • lenbias34pt - Aug 18, 2014 at 7:34 AM

        If you look at his #’s closely you can see where Josh’s fall began while on the Rangers.

        Almost 70 more K’s in his last year in Texas than in the 2 seasons prior. And a 60 and than 70 point drop in Average.

        Josh has always has normally struggled with pressure, and that contract is pressure X 10.
        I’m sure the Angel fans were excited and thus sold themselves on Josh, but didn’t all of us have major reservations of giving Josh Hamilton that contract?

        If substances or injury didn’t get him the pressure surely would. Scioscia is just saying what he feels needs to be said to motivate Josh…..thou i suspect any more pressure will just hurt him.

  3. coffeeblack95616 - Aug 17, 2014 at 6:51 PM

    Once an athlete gets paid, they can lay off the PEDs and cash their checks. Anyone who thought this contract was a good idea is a fool.

    • Jeremy Fox - Aug 17, 2014 at 6:58 PM

      That’s why Mike Trout sucks this year too….oh, wait.

      • brewcrewchamps - Aug 18, 2014 at 2:17 AM

        You cant just go comparing regular people to mike trout

    • gizmo61 - Aug 18, 2014 at 11:16 AM

      There is an age point coupled with a production point when a guy is right on that brink and gets the whopper long range mega deal and then just sits on his arse (that is, compared to what he was before signing the deal). MLB is littered with dozens of them. Owners are going to have to cut this stuff back or the game will outprice any rational cost basis.

  4. mrlaloosh - Aug 17, 2014 at 6:55 PM

    Money well spent.

  5. wilmyers09 - Aug 17, 2014 at 6:57 PM

    dont say someone is on PEDS when u guys have no facts u fools

    • moondog440 - Aug 18, 2014 at 9:50 AM

      My concern would be less about the “Performance Enhancing” portion of PED’s and just the “Drugs” part of it. Slipping back to the old ways, especially with basically unlimited financial resources, is a temptation I wouldn’t want. I honestly hope it’s just Father Time…

  6. raysfan1 - Aug 17, 2014 at 7:18 PM

    One other thing about that 1-4 game last night…right after he hit that double, he tried to score from 2B on a single to right. The right fielder easily threw him out at home.

  7. randygnyc - Aug 17, 2014 at 7:36 PM

    Maybe he’s sworn off drugs completely, including PED’s. that would explain his production “falling off a cliff”

  8. coffeeblack95616 - Aug 17, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    If you think baseball players aren’t using, you’re a fool. The SI article on steroids in the 90s was already pointing to that. Players are using. If you need to see the needle in the vein, then you’re deluding yourself and you probably think the Olympics are clean and Lance Armstrong never cheated.
    I don’t really care if players use so long as MLB is willing to pretend they aren’t using. If MLB was serious, they would use blood tests. The tests they use are designed to let players cheat the system. Players get a heads up from the testers, they cycle off so they can give a negative result, then get back on after. It’s common sense. If you can’t follow that, then I’m guessing you believe anything politicians say as well.

  9. jerze2387 - Aug 17, 2014 at 8:13 PM

    He got paid and stopped caring. you know, like he did for many 2nd halfs of Rangers seasons when he disappeared. or when his career was starting and he was too busy getting high. or when he was too busy taking body shots off girls at the bar while he pubicly portrayed the fact he was staying dry and clean. Hes alwasy been a POS and the Angels should have known when they signed him. its been obvious. Hes the most streaky, one of the least dedicated to his craft players there is. And i say not dedicated, because when hes not doing good he makes no effort to change it and doesnt seem to give a ****. Good luck with him on your team. he just put up good numbers for a couple years so he could get a big contract and eventually retire on a mountain of smack.

    • missingdiz - Aug 17, 2014 at 9:23 PM

      The one thing we know is that he’s getting older, because we all are. All these highly negative comments say more about the people making the comments than about Hamilton.

  10. sportsfan18 - Aug 17, 2014 at 9:28 PM

    Duh…

    Oh, when one looks at Albert’s career stats and compares them to ONLY his time on the Angles, he’s dropped off MORE than Josh has in just his time on the Angles compared to his career stats.

    Albert career OPS+ 163 (this includes his drop off with the Angles – only with St. Louis it was 170)
    Albert OPS+ with Angles 129

    Josh career OPS+ 130
    Josh OPS+ with Angles 110

    Percentage wise, Albert has dropped off more than Josh. Of course Albert was higher to begin with and higher than Josh still but Scioscia should realize that Albert has dropped off more.

    Oh, Albert has many more years and dollars coming his way too than Josh.

    ONE last comment ya’ll.

    Last season, Albert’s OPS + was 116

    Want to know what Josh’s OPS+ right NOW is this season? Yep, 116.

    • mybrunoblog - Aug 17, 2014 at 10:15 PM

      We’ll done and very interesting. As for Scioscia calling out Hamilton my guess is that he’s is trying to motivate him. Maybe light a fire under him. He’s already underperforming so Scioscia doesn’t have much to lose.

  11. 13yrsmlbvet - Aug 17, 2014 at 9:43 PM

    Players don’t get any advance notice of testing. Get your facts straight.

  12. infieldhit - Aug 17, 2014 at 11:29 PM

    Sosh can criticize Hamilton all he wants, but who’s the guy who insisted on keeping him in the cleanup spot every single day until today?

    • lenbias34pt - Aug 18, 2014 at 8:11 AM

      That’s certainly questionable, but how about Buck putting Chris Davis in the 2 hole in Baltimore?

      There is a reason Buck has been canned 3 times. Sometimes he sees his opinion superior to common sense.

  13. pigskinjunkie66 - Aug 17, 2014 at 11:32 PM

    Watch the video. He’s clearly smaller now then he was in Texas.

  14. chargrz - Aug 18, 2014 at 12:28 AM

    Put a fork in him. He’s done!

  15. howthenfcwestwaswon - Aug 18, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    ………which is exactly why no one else was even considering signing him for that obscene amount.

  16. andrenna - Aug 18, 2014 at 1:11 PM

    I was concerned when he showed up to Angels camp at the start of his brand new contract, 20-25 lbs smaller. Yes it is circumstantial, but dropping 25 lbs after scoring a huge guaranteed payday screams PED use (or should I say discontinued use of PEDs).

    The question is how long can he cope with being a sub par player not living up to his contract? Well, if he ever shows up to camp +25 lbs, we know he got back into “the game”.

  17. mrsquishy - Aug 18, 2014 at 6:29 PM

    Did PFT shut down? It’s funny all the football commenters talking about PEDs when they routinely watch 340lb guys that can run sub-5 40 yard dashes. And I like how we use weight to decide PED usage. Is that how the NFL does it? I guess all the 50 year old guys I know are on PEDs,

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