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Adam Wainwright has a “dead arm”

Aug 27, 2014, 4:30 PM EDT

Wainwright

Adam Wainwright continued his “meh” streak today. Not awful, but not ace-like either. He allowed three runs over six innings and took the loss to the Pirates, 3-1. That gives him a 2-4 record and an ERA of 5.17 ERA in six outings for the month of August.

What’s the problem? Wainwright said after the game that he’s got “dead arm,” which can mean just about anything. But rarely does it amount to an actual injury. It’s just, like, something that happens.

With the win the Pirates have pulled to within a game of a wild card slot pending tonight’s action

  1. steelerspitt7 - Aug 27, 2014 at 4:35 PM

    Love my buccos

    • emrtgb - Aug 27, 2014 at 4:48 PM

      yeah, because your buccos caused wainwright to have a dead arm

      • proudlycanadian - Aug 27, 2014 at 5:11 PM

        Will they send flowers to the funeral for the dead arm?

      • brewcrewfan54 - Aug 27, 2014 at 6:29 PM

        That’s just good comedy Proudlycanadian!

    • pcoffey49 - Aug 28, 2014 at 12:17 AM

      Where the hell is Dave Duncan when you really need him.

      • bfunk1978 - Aug 28, 2014 at 9:35 AM

        Arizona with the worst pitching staff in baseball.

  2. bfunk1978 - Aug 27, 2014 at 4:35 PM

    He’s thrown like 480 innings the last two years. I know my arm would be dead. If they could get 6 guys that can start through September I think they should, especially if Wacha comes back. Not Masterson, though…maybe CarMart? I dunno. Right now it’s Lance Lynn and a bunch of mediocre throwers. What does it matter if you get to the WC game if you get blown out?

    • beepbeepbeeplgb - Aug 27, 2014 at 4:45 PM

      look at that quote “lance lynn and a bunch of mediocre throwers”, a few years ago no one would have seen that coming! quite the year for lynn, he’s been great. lackey has been pretty solid also fyi, but you’re right. most of the year the pitchers have saved us, lately it’s been the offense saving them.

      • SocraticGadfly - Aug 27, 2014 at 5:05 PM

        Flip side is, Lynn’s going to want money in arbitration next year. Cards may want to look at buying out all three arb years, plus, say, first year of free agency.

      • bfunk1978 - Aug 28, 2014 at 9:27 AM

        Yeah it’s pretty awesome to see the transformation of Lance Lynn from Lynning to Winning.

        Lackey has been solid, but he’s got a (small sample) 4.5 ERA since he came. Take out the Baltimore start and that’s lower, but it’s not ace-quality stuff.

    • emrtgb - Aug 27, 2014 at 4:50 PM

      Lackey is not mediocre. If Waino’s not 100%, he’s arguably our ace. Lynn has been impressive all year, yes, but don’t underestimate Lackey’s experience and ability to go deep into games.

      • bfunk1978 - Aug 28, 2014 at 9:33 AM

        Then our arguable ace has a (small sample) 4.50 ERA with a 4.85 FIP since coming from Boston.

    • SocraticGadfly - Aug 27, 2014 at 5:03 PM

      Right. Counting postseason, he had a full 300 last year. That’s why I take the claims about “back in the old days” on pitchers with a grain of salt. Pre-1969, you either pitched the WS, or no postseason, 2/16 teams. Today, it’s 10/30, or 8/30 after the play-in. Chances for lots of pitchers to pick up one extra game; two or three if they get to the LCS, and even more if they get to the WS. (That doesn’t include 1-2 additional starts in a 162-game sked vs 154.)

      • bfunk1978 - Aug 28, 2014 at 9:35 AM

        Pitching now is a full 100% effort every time with human beings that are conditioned to the edge of not being able to handle their own strength. Not to say there weren’t weights to lift in the 60s or that pitchers didn’t throw hard then, but 95+ today is the new 90mph.

    • SocraticGadfly - Aug 27, 2014 at 5:26 PM

      Bernie’s got the exact numbers. Since his return from his TJ, he’s led all of MLB in innings.

      That said, this isn’t all new:

      Bottom line: in eight starts since the All-Star break Wainwright is 3-5 with a 4.68 ERA and a 1.50 WHIP. And before the break: a WHIP of .91 and an ERA of 1.83.

      http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/bernie-miklasz/bernie-waino-better-but-still-scuffling/article_d0644d70-a71d-5c22-8f81-45ab4dd08655.html

    • sportsfan18 - Aug 27, 2014 at 5:31 PM

      All the more reason to marvel at the career Greg Maddux had…

      in a consecutive 14 season stretch from 1998 through 2001, including playoffs…

      Greg AVERAGED over 251 innings a season for 14 straight years.

      Always threw over 200 innings, even in the strike shortened seasons of ’94 & ’95

      He threw 279 innings one season and 281 innings in another…

      Of course, Greg is only 1 of 13 men to pitch more than 5,000 innings in a career.

      Wano is a stud and I wish him well.

      • bfunk1978 - Aug 28, 2014 at 9:31 AM

        Maddux is definitely a rare bird. Look at the guys who have gone from Aces to Jokers the last few years. A non-conclusive list: Zito, Timmy, Cliff Lee, Verlander, Sabathia, and on and on. Some of them are injury. Some of them are mystery. All of them have a chance of bouncing back. Maddux had a 15-year peak with a sub-3.00 ERA. It’s no wonder he’s got that HoF badge.

        Wainwright probably just needs a break. Matheny says “dead arm? we’ll throw you back out there on Monday, get ready”

      • gostlcards5 - Aug 29, 2014 at 2:19 PM

        This goes back to what a previous poster said about pitchers throwing 95 mph these days versus 90 mph years ago. Maddux was normally what…a 91-93 mph fastball pitcher? Less taxing on your arm, allowing you to throw more innings. Certainly a case could be made as a good argument for good speed, great control versus any alternative.

  3. El Bravo - Aug 27, 2014 at 4:46 PM

    The entire Braves organization has a dead arm. :-/

  4. montrealknowledge - Aug 27, 2014 at 4:54 PM

    Cards can’t win on the road so who cares. Here’s hoping they give me meaningful baseball throughout September and at least one playoff series.

  5. freedomofspeechyesway - Aug 27, 2014 at 5:02 PM

    I don’t get the opportunity to watch him pitch much. Does anyone know if his velocity is down, control lacking, or movement declining? I’d be interested to put some context behind his definition of “dead arm”.

    I feel like whenever a pitcher can’t quite put their finger on what’s going on, it’s a groin injury.

    • SocraticGadfly - Aug 27, 2014 at 5:04 PM

      Said AJ Burnett?

  6. senioreditor2 - Aug 27, 2014 at 5:26 PM

    6 innings and 3 runs is pretty good for most pitchers today. maybe they should skip his turn in the rotation and see if life reappears? Otherwise the Cards aren’t going anywhere.

  7. gibbyfan - Aug 27, 2014 at 5:28 PM

    Keep in mind that he is not a youngster anymore. The Cards had no choice but to take the gamble on a reasonable 5 yr deal, but it’s always a bit of a crap shoot with pitchers, especially those on the wrong side of 30. Decline is just a matter of time and we can only hope it hasn’t begun to manifest.

    • SocraticGadfly - Aug 27, 2014 at 5:43 PM

      I’ll take him with a “dead arm” over a lot of other pitchers. Let’s hope that, whenever this season ends, he goes very light on any offseason throwing schedule and lets nature have a chance.

  8. ptbakery - Aug 27, 2014 at 6:26 PM

    What I’d like to know is what is Matheny thinking moving Waino in front of Miller to face the Phils last Friday? Sounds like Waino is the one who could have used the extra day off. Hope someone with the power to make a change at manager is taking notice.

    • okwhitefalcon - Aug 27, 2014 at 6:56 PM

      Smart money says that was an “organizational decision”.

      Wainwright on regular rest is a better bet than Miller on regular rest every time.

  9. The Bronx Bombers - Aug 27, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    Cards fans = your glory days are over…

    • SocraticGadfly - Aug 27, 2014 at 8:41 PM

      Says the team that’s not going to make the playoffs this year, that’s eventually going to have Girardi’s voodoo wear off, and probably will be worse next year.

    • spudchukar - Aug 28, 2014 at 11:43 AM

      Does the irony escape you?

    • stlouis1baseball - Aug 29, 2014 at 9:44 AM

      Hahahaha! Funny stuff bombers. Funny…funny stuff.

  10. wannabeGM - Aug 27, 2014 at 8:07 PM

    Reblogged this on stlcardinalsminimo and commented:
    Could be worse

    • jimmyt - Aug 28, 2014 at 7:09 AM

      Get out of your Moms basement and get a job.

  11. bobsyerunkle - Aug 27, 2014 at 8:24 PM

    Anyone who saw his game against the Phillies last Friday night could have told you he had a dead arm. Why Matheny left him in there for over 100 pitches is beyond me, I mean it’s not like they need this guy if they get into the post-season, right?

  12. drewzducks - Aug 27, 2014 at 8:34 PM

    In a related story, Boston has a dead team. Must have something to do with playing all those extra post season games thru the end of October.

  13. coryfor3 - Aug 27, 2014 at 8:51 PM

    Wait- he’s a Cardinal! Can’t he just fight through and be gritty!?

    • stlouis1baseball - Aug 29, 2014 at 9:46 AM

      You are confusing them with the Diamondbacks stymie.

  14. stercuilus65 - Aug 27, 2014 at 9:19 PM

    Should never have started the AS game on two days res but he just had to have the glory…

    • gostlcards5 - Aug 29, 2014 at 2:21 PM

      Waino didn’t make that choice. He is not a glory hound.

  15. papacrick - Aug 27, 2014 at 9:39 PM

    Joe Nathan had dead arm after the first game of the season. See how that worked out for him/Tigers. Good luck with the rest of your season

  16. scyankee64 - Aug 27, 2014 at 10:30 PM

    Dead arm is real, but the term is used for more than one problem. Some use the term to describe arm fatigue, while others use it to refer to the early stages of a labrum tear. I played ball for a long time(not in the minors or majors), and I experienced it maybe 30-40 times out of around 1000 games after age 17. When I would warm up, my arm felt great, but no matter how hard I’d try to throw, it just didn’t have any zip. I’d come out the next game and I’d be throwing hard again. I ended up tearing my labrum, rotator cuff, and ucl, all at different times of course. I think I did most of the damage to my shoulder because I changed my throwing motion to compensate for my elbow.

  17. westcoastredbird - Aug 28, 2014 at 7:30 AM

    Hey PT. I’m not a Matheny fan by any means. He flip flopped Miller and Waino once he saw who the home plate umpire was. The infamous crew chief Jeff Kellogg. He of the postage stamp strike zone. With Miller’s command issues he would be at 100 pitches by the 4th inning.

  18. cincinata - Aug 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM

    However, this is nothing new. I may have been off base a little, but I predicted this when I felt the Pirates were going to win the division. They still might, but the birds will not. I think they will be fighting the Reds for third by the time it is all over.

  19. cincinata - Aug 28, 2014 at 3:40 PM

    Of course that was just after the All Star game. Wainwright sucked.

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