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Clayton Kershaw’s Cy Young odds have been taken off the board

Sep 2, 2014, 12:30 PM EDT

Periodically the gambling/oddsmaking website Bovada sends out the odds for various baseball things. Playoff and World Series chances. Awards odds. Things like that. Today they sent one with World Series odds and postseason awards odds.

The odds to win the World Series break down like you’d expect. At the moment the Angels are the favorites at 5/1. The team with the least chance but for which Bovada still calculates odds is the Padres at 500/1. Everyone else has been taken off the board.

But the most fun set of odds comes for the NL Awards:

source:

Anyone wanna make an argument to the contrary?

 

  1. tbird05 - Sep 2, 2014 at 12:35 PM

    Nah, I would have taken them off the boad as well.

    • joeflaccosunibrow - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:00 PM

      No spell check for article titles I assume

  2. chill1184 - Sep 2, 2014 at 12:35 PM

    Cy Young has been Kershaw’s to lose for a while, it would take some interesting leaps to not give it to him.

  3. tfbuckfutter - Sep 2, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    What about Adam Wainwright?

    • bfunk1978 - Sep 2, 2014 at 12:41 PM

      On July 2 I would agree. On September 2 after the last 2 months of Wainwright’s pitching? Not a chance. Waino hasn’t been awful but he hasn’t been otherworldly like Kershaw, either.

      • longfootlefty - Sep 2, 2014 at 12:50 PM

        Wainwright in August — 6 starts with a 5.17 ERA. So yeah, he’s been pretty awful.

      • tfbuckfutter - Sep 2, 2014 at 12:56 PM

        You’re ignoring intangibles.

      • longfootlefty - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:06 PM

        Yup, I am. And not by accident either.

      • tfbuckfutter - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:22 PM

        Wainwright started the All Star game.

        I guess that doesn’t count for anything, huh?

        SMDH.

      • longfootlefty - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:26 PM

        Only because Matheny was the man making the decision about who the NL starter was.

        Your trolling game is weak. Much like Wainwright’s pitching skills have been recently.

      • tfbuckfutter - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:40 PM

        And Matheny was in that position BECAUSE of Adam Wainwright.

        Jesus. Talk about circular arguing.

      • spudchukar - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:40 PM

        Kershaw can have the NL MVP, Wainwright wants the WS MVP.

      • longfootlefty - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:43 PM

        Matheny was in that position because of what happened in 2013….which has no bearing on the 2014 CY Award.

        You are just embarrassing yourself at this point.

      • notsofast10 - Sep 2, 2014 at 4:00 PM

        Yes he started the All Star Game, took the loss and gave up more runs than any other pitcher that night, so what are you trying to say?

      • SocraticGadfly - Sep 2, 2014 at 5:16 PM

        TK’s trolling game is as weak as the Sawks themselves. There, take that.

      • tfbuckfutter - Sep 2, 2014 at 9:01 PM

        @SocraticGadfly No one gets me.

    • cincinata - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:24 PM

      Wainwright does not deserve to be considered. He has taken a nose dive in performance, and I suspect he will show some long term damage to the shoulder off season, or before.

      • tfbuckfutter - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:26 PM

        Pitching through a potential injury to help his team win is all the more reason he deserves extra consideration.

      • cincinata - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:27 PM

        By the way, why are we not considering Cueto? He has more victories than Wainwright and more S/O’s. and a better ERA after the A/S game. If Kershaw takes a dive in the last month, then Cueto is the guy for the NL.

      • longfootlefty - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:30 PM

        Cueto is definitely the next guy in line at this point, but Kershaw has built up such a lead that he would have to do a lot more than just dive…his arm would have to fall off worse than Wainwright’s has.

    • asimonetti88 - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:52 PM

      Wainwright: 15-9, 2.59 ERA, 150 Ks, 45 BB, 1.059 WHIP, 188 IP
      Kershaw: 16-3, 1.73 ERA, 194 Ks, 23 BB, 0.837 WHIP, 161 IP

      Kershaw has better numbers across the board despite pitching 20 innings less… why is this even a question? Kershaw has been by far the best pitcher in all of baseball this year.

      • longfootlefty - Sep 2, 2014 at 2:02 PM

        It’s not. Kershaw is the clear leader, Cueto is the clear runner-up.

        At this point, the debate would be between Hamels and Wainwright for the #3 spot.

      • tfbuckfutter - Sep 2, 2014 at 2:05 PM

        I love that I made you do homework.

        You guys have been a lot of fun.

      • gmfw7 - Sep 2, 2014 at 3:04 PM

        if kershaw takes a nose dive (which isn’t gonna happen) and hamels continues his hot pitching i think hamels could make a real push despite only having 8 wins. he has been absolutely unreal the last couple months, but has been been outshaddowed because kershaw has been even better during that span which just speaks volumes for how much better kershaw is at life than the rest of us

      • notsofast10 - Sep 2, 2014 at 4:03 PM

        It’s not homework, I know this S&*t off the top of my head!

  4. flosox - Sep 2, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    So, at 2/3 odds do you receive $.67 for every dollar you bet? That does not compute…what am I missing? Do you get your dollar back plus $.67?

    If you can’t tell, I don’t gamble much….

    • tfbuckfutter - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:06 PM

      For every $3 you bet you win $2.

      10/1 means you bet $1 you win $10.

      • flosox - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:16 PM

        Cool! Thanks.

      • stercuilus65 - Sep 2, 2014 at 8:14 PM

        Don’t forget the vig.

  5. historiophiliac - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:16 PM

    Does it really matter? When the bobblehead giveaway happens, it’s going to be Miggy, no contest.

  6. hojo20 - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:25 PM

    What else has been taken off the boad?

  7. Trevor_P - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:30 PM

    There is a non-zero chance that Johnny Cueto could lead the NL in wins, strikeouts, innings pitched —while also finishing second in ERA — and STILL be the clear riunner-up in the Cy Young race.

    Daaaaaamn. Clayton Kershaw is pretty okay at pitching!

    • cincinata - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:37 PM

      Well, if everyone seems to think Wainwright should be in consideration, then Cueto is ahead of him by a long shot. And, Cueto is not that far behind Kershaw.

      • kingscourt25 - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:44 PM

        Cueto is very far behind Kershaw

      • stlouis1baseball - Sep 2, 2014 at 2:09 PM

        Dude…NO ONE thinks Wainwright should be in consideration.

      • sportsfan18 - Sep 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM

        king

        I agree Kershaw is in the lead and is going to win the Cy Young.

        Guess I’m different though in my thought process. Cueto has taken the mound 29 times this season to 22 times for Clayton. That does count for quite a bit.

        Teams feel much better when their ace is pitching and while Kershaw IS the best pitcher in the game, Cueto is an ace too.

        The 7 times Clayton didn’t take the hill, someone else had to as the games still went on.

        The #2 to #5 pitchers were all in place so someone beyond those had to take the ball for him when he couldn’t. Meaning a #6 pitcher, a long reliever, a call up from the minors etc…

        Yes, I know folks will say he has more WAR. Think of this analogy.

        A hitter only plays 120 games to another’s 150 games and yet he has more WAR.

        But when you’re winning a game 12 to 1 because that man went 4 for 5 with 2 HR’s and 6 RBI’s… well you were going to win that game anyway, even with less production from him.

        What about the games that slugger did NOT play in? All that WAR he accumulated in those 120 games does NOT help them in games 121 to 150.

        I’d rather have very good to above average play consistently all year long than a shooting star for only a portion of it even that portion results in more WAR overall.

        WAR doesn’t help in games they don’t play in is my point. Yes, we may make a sliding scale where it does tip in their favor.

        7 less games, Clayton still gets the Cy Young to me.

        What if Clayton pitched 11 fewer games though? He had 7 WAR to Cueto’s 5.6 right now.

        What if Clayton pitched 12 fewer games but had 5.8 WAR to Cueto’s 5.6?

        Again, I think Clayton wins it but to me, Clayton isn’t as far ahead of Cueto as you seem to think.

      • erbaodai - Sep 2, 2014 at 8:31 PM

        “But when you’re winning a game 12 to 1 because that man went 4 for 5 with 2 HR’s and 6 RBI’s… well you were going to win that game anyway, even with less production from him.”

        Which is why we have a stat called the WPA, or Win Probability Added, to count a player’s value to the team, adjusted with run-scoring situations and game context.

        Kershaw: 4.4 WPA in 5 less starts than Cueto.
        Cueto: 3.6 WPA in 5 more starts than Kershaw

        Happy now?

  8. apkyletexas - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:34 PM

    What are the odds of Kershaw getting past the fourth inning of an NLCS game 6 this year?

    • asimonetti88 - Sep 2, 2014 at 1:53 PM

      I don’t know? What are the odds of something that happened last year affecting the Cy Young race this year?

      • cincinata - Sep 2, 2014 at 2:08 PM

        Kingscourt

        You must be some kind of fool. How can he be way behind Kershaw? If Kershaw does not win his next time out, then I predict Cueto will pass him in wins. Also, they are both very close in S/O’s and not too far in ERA. In fact, it is still possible that Cueto could surpass him in both by October. I agree that Wainwright is far behind both of them. I trust that more level headed judges will pic the Cy winners, because people like you seem to ignore the statistics.

      • longfootlefty - Sep 2, 2014 at 2:13 PM

        I certainly hope the voters ignore stupid and meaningless stats like wins.

        Then again, they did give the CY to Dickey a few years ago, so my hopes are probably misplaced….

      • kingscourt25 - Sep 2, 2014 at 2:23 PM

        They are far in ERA. Kershaw would have give up something like 12 runs without recording an out in his next start to have the same ERA Cueto has now. And of course, they are only close in K’s because Kershaw missed 5/6 starts. It’s his award. He would need to go on a major slump to not win and he just doesn’t do that.

      • [citation needed] fka COPO - Sep 2, 2014 at 2:50 PM

        they did give the CY to Dickey a few years ago, so my hopes are probably misplaced….

        Dickey: 2.73 ERA, 139 ERA+, 233.2 IP, 71 ER, 54 BB/230 K; 5 CG, 3 SHO
        Kershaw: 2.53 ERA, 150 ERA+, 227.2 IP, 64 ER, 63 BB/229 K; 2 CG, 2 SHO

        Dickey’s peripherals are better, but Kershaw gave up less runs. The race should have been closer than the 209 pts to 96, but Dickey winning wasn’t exactly a travesty a la Colon in ’05

      • gmfw7 - Sep 2, 2014 at 3:09 PM

        @cincinata…as soon as you used cueto having the same amount of wins as kershaw as your first reason why he isn’t far behind in the running for cy young, you automatically tell the rest of us that you have no clue what you’re talking about.

      • stercuilus65 - Sep 2, 2014 at 8:18 PM

        2012 Kershaw 6.3 WAR, Dickey 5.4 WAR

  9. stlouis1baseball - Sep 2, 2014 at 2:08 PM

    Congratulations to Buckfutter for winning today’s trolling award.
    The fly and cincy had no idea you were trolling them. That alone…wins the award.
    Well played Buckfutter. Well played.

    • stex52 - Sep 2, 2014 at 2:26 PM

      I concur. It was fun to watch, tbuck.

  10. cincinata - Sep 2, 2014 at 2:11 PM

    I have seen buck’s comments for some time now. He is still a homer and I don’t think he was trolling at all. I am sure that he thinks Wainwright is the best pitcher in the game.

    • stex52 - Sep 2, 2014 at 2:27 PM

      Oh hell. That was an easy one. He was playing the guys. Very much his style.

    • [citation needed] fka COPO - Sep 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM

      He is still a homer and I don’t think he was trolling at all. I am sure that he thinks Wainwright is the best pitcher in the game.

      He’s a fan of another team…

      • cincinata - Sep 3, 2014 at 11:35 AM

        My comments are not about any other team. One guy who sees only one outcome and refuses to accept other possibilities is acting on emotion only and thus I name him a “homer”. I know that Cueto is behind Kershaw and the vote today is for Kershaw. However, Wainwright is or should not be in the picture in any event. He is so far off the mark, I wonder how anyone could still consider him. If Wainwright wins all of this games from here on, he should not be considered this year for the Cy. If Kershaw fails terribly, then it should go to Cueto, assuming he maintains his current performance.

    • historiophiliac - Sep 2, 2014 at 3:54 PM

      If you’ve seen his comments for some time now, you might have noticed that he’s a Red Sox fan…who likes to have a little fun in a down season. It must be the red hair.

    • stlouis1baseball - Sep 2, 2014 at 5:26 PM

      He is a Red Sox fan Cincy. Red Sox. That is about the only thing I hold against him.
      Well…that…and side of the aisle on which he votes.
      But if I held that against people I wouldn’t have any friends. Sad…sad indeed.

      • historiophiliac - Sep 2, 2014 at 6:12 PM

        Thank god for bleeding heart liberals then, eh?

      • stlouis1baseball - Sep 3, 2014 at 9:51 AM

        Lol! I try not to use those words. I lean more towards the “warm and fuzzy party.” I makes people all “warm and fuzzy” to vote for things that have no chance in hell at passing/being accomplished.
        But that’s okay. I love you people all the same! 8)

      • historiophiliac - Sep 3, 2014 at 11:19 AM

        he he

      • historiophiliac - Sep 3, 2014 at 2:37 PM

        I was expecting you to break out the “C-Squared” on the top of the ATH post today.

      • stlouis1baseball - Sep 4, 2014 at 9:49 AM

        I am slipping. This new business venture has me all sorts of busy. How you been?

      • historiophiliac - Sep 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM

        New business? Is this a new thing or for the same company?

        I’m kicking A as always.

      • stlouis1baseball - Sep 4, 2014 at 10:07 AM

        Same Company. We bought and re-opened it in November of last year. I think I told you about it. If not…I apologize. Operating with a skeleton crew at the moment to keep overhead low. Which means I am pretty much taking all the calls, waiting on the customers in the showroom, bidding all the large commercial work, going out to residential calls, etc… I do have a lady at the counter but she is about 107 years old and simply can’t place a call on hold if the phone rings. I call her “One Call Suzie.” She doesn’t find the humor in it…strangely. Got a guy in the warehouse but he has a screw (or 12) loose. But it’s working out. Please know these aren’t complaints. It’s just the way we have to do it for the first year..year and a half. Glad to here you are kicking ass. Taking a lot of names as well?

      • historiophiliac - Sep 4, 2014 at 10:09 AM

        Don’t worry, you are always at the top of the list. :D

      • stlouis1baseball - Sep 4, 2014 at 10:10 AM

        Awwww…. now I have the warm and fuzzy’s.

  11. 22yearsagotoday - Sep 2, 2014 at 6:55 PM

    Does he like pie or cake? That is key.

    • stlouis1baseball - Sep 4, 2014 at 9:47 AM

      It is key 22. Pie over cake…every day of the week and twice on Sunday’s.

  12. booboo31 - Sep 2, 2014 at 10:47 PM

    No there is no discussion of any kind that Kershaw is the award winner. Having said that’s always some whiner who will complain about their home town hero that “deserves discussion” as if that means anything. There’s always “other great years” that are played but unfortunately none of them even touch Kershaws. Id argue no NL pitcher the past 10 years have even touched this year he’s had.

  13. gloccamorra - Sep 3, 2014 at 1:15 PM

    Actually, there’s a way for Kershaw to lose the CY. If the Tigers make the playoffs and David Price pitches shutouts in each of the divisional series and championship series, and does it twice in the World Series, can Craig’s fellow writers and voters be trusted to vote for the whole year performance, or be dazzled by the post-season heroics?

    • tdragonkirs - Sep 9, 2014 at 3:38 PM

      …What’s wrong with you? Divisions, dude. Divisions.

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