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Joc Pederson starting Tuesday over Yasiel Puig, who was almost late to Dodger Stadium

Sep 2, 2014, 9:45 PM EDT

Dodgers outfielder Yasiel Puig is batting just .210/.295/.240 since the beginning of August and newly-promoted prospect Joc Pederson is starting over him on Tuesday night against the Nationals. Which gives you some context for this string of tweets from Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times

Puig did have time to meet with Little League World Series star Mo’ne Davis. The drama never ends.

  1. doctortyler - Sep 2, 2014 at 9:53 PM

    I’m not a Puig lover, nor a hater. I don’t really know much about him, I live in Pennsylvania and don’t get much baseball from the west coast, but I don’t see what the big deal is about being a couple minutes late to a baseball game, especially when he’s not playing. Who hasn’t got caught up big city traffic before?

    I also don’t know what time zone he means whenever he says “Was supposed to be there at 4:00.” I do know, however, that according to an east coast time zone, that the game starts at 10:10 P.M. Even if this is in the west coast time zone, the game doesn’t start for another three hours from the time he was supposed to show up.

    I’ve never gone to a game earlier than twenty minutes before it starts, so I don’t know what all goes down before the game, but I can imagine it’s things like warm ups, batting practice, fan appreciation stuff. Who cares if he’s a couple minutes late to that?

    • SocraticGadfly - Sep 2, 2014 at 10:06 PM

      Umm, per the story? Puig did not have advance notice he was getting the day off. Therefore, it is a bigger deal. And, not the first time he’s been close to late, or actually late.

      • SocraticGadfly - Sep 2, 2014 at 11:27 PM

        Posted below, but also up here, to be seen.

        Puig did not arrive to the clubhouse until 3:55 p.m. and just made it on the field in time for the team 4:05 p.m. stretch.

        Assuming he wasn’t 100 percent ready for the calisthenics, he arguably was late, not “almost.”

        http://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/dodgersnow/la-sp-dn-joc-pederson-dodgers-20140902-story.html

      • blabidibla - Sep 3, 2014 at 10:45 AM

        So you’re saying he should have been warmed up for warm ups?

        According to the story he made it on time.

      • SocraticGadfly - Sep 3, 2014 at 10:52 AM

        Again, maybe only in a technical sense.

        If you were at your office at the stroke of 8 o’clock, but your fly was unzipped and your tie untied, if you’re in a business office, do you really think your boss would say “You’re on time”?

    • SocraticGadfly - Sep 2, 2014 at 10:44 PM

      As for what goes on before the game? Fielding as well as batting practice. Dedicated hitters doing a bit of final video review of opposing pitchers. Fielders probably discussing possible shifts against certain players. And more.

    • emrtgb - Sep 2, 2014 at 10:46 PM

      Sir (or Ma’am),

      I’m all for freedom of speech, but please consider posting on this site before you announce to the world that you don’t know anything about the context of the story you’re commenting on.

      And yes, professional baseball players are expected to be at the ballpark atleast a few hours before every game they’re expected to start.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Sep 3, 2014 at 7:46 AM

        I don’t understand this. If you believe in free speech, shouldn’t somebody from Pennsylvania who doesn’t follow the Dodgers be allowed to opine about a Dodger who is always in the news even if he is almost 4 hours early to the game as opposed to being comfortably 6 hours before a ball game?

        And speaking of free speech, just how is 4 hours before a ball game not considered “a few hours” as in the context of your comment?

        This makes no sense to me, Sir or Madam.

      • SocraticGadfly - Sep 3, 2014 at 9:24 AM

        Sir or madam, more to the point of your second post further down, I think there’s nothing arguable about either of your points. You’re just arguing.

    • jrbdmb - Sep 2, 2014 at 11:12 PM

      So now Puig gets slammed not for being late, but for almost but not quite being late. Kid should just sleep in the clubhouse so he doesn’t have to hear any more of this $^@^.

      • doctortyler - Sep 2, 2014 at 11:20 PM

        That’s the point I was trying (and apparently failed) to make.

    • stlouis1baseball - Sep 3, 2014 at 10:05 AM

      Tyler: You can’t be serious. Dude is hitting like Fido’s ass and he shows up (5) minutes prior to the time everyone is supposed to be dressed and on the field! You don’t show up with five minutes to spare. You show up early because your ass is struggling.

      I anxiously await the Dodgers backers spinning the excuses on this.

      Sandy: Where you at? I look forward to your take.

      • SocraticGadfly - Sep 3, 2014 at 10:53 AM

        No, he’s serious. And, per Craig’s latest post, so are many other Puig fanboys: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/03/im-not-sure-how-id-feel-about-becoming-a-citizen-of-puig-nation/

  2. rollinghighwayblues - Sep 2, 2014 at 10:14 PM

    This should blow up into a nice little fiasco for the majority of the day tomorrow.

  3. sisisisisisisi - Sep 2, 2014 at 10:39 PM

    not the 1st time nor will be the last time

    repect the game!

    • tearlw - Sep 2, 2014 at 10:57 PM

      Repect spelling!

      • sisisisisisisi - Sep 2, 2014 at 11:39 PM

        spelling? u must b blind

  4. blabidibla - Sep 2, 2014 at 10:57 PM

    Not mentioned… Was he late for the field?

  5. tearlw - Sep 2, 2014 at 11:00 PM

    Is this the place where we talk about what the word “almost” means?
    And, yes he had time to meet with Mo’ne Davis. From the looks of it he was dressed and on the field. How is this drama?

    • jrbdmb - Sep 2, 2014 at 11:15 PM

      Don’t you get it, he was *almost* late. I eagerly await the next column with Bill Plaschke foaming at the mouth over this. Respect the game!

    • SocraticGadfly - Sep 2, 2014 at 11:24 PM

      This:

      Puig did not arrive to the clubhouse until 3:55 p.m. and just made it on the field in time for the team 4:05 p.m. stretch.

      Assuming he wasn’t 100 percent ready for the calisthenics, he arguably was late, not “almost.”

      http://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/dodgersnow/la-sp-dn-joc-pederson-dodgers-20140902-story.html

      Also further answers @doctortyler.

      • tearlw - Sep 3, 2014 at 12:48 AM

        What exactly do you have to do to get ready to stretch besides show up?
        Is there pre-stretching stretching?
        Not trying to be a jerk about this (although it’s turning into a struggle), but this just looks like people who are predisposed to criticize Puig trying to make something out of nothing.
        Even cherry picking Mattingly quotes to do it. Yes, he said, “You can’t force guys into work.” However, he also said, “Hopefully it’s a situation where we can kind of give him his days here and his days there. We know in Cuba they don’t play that many games, so we’d seen last year late in the year he struggled. Maybe it’s the number of games is wearing him down a little bit.” Maybe it’s just me, but that seems to soften the blow of the “force” quote a little.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Sep 3, 2014 at 7:49 AM

        There is nothing arguable about your point. You’re just arguing.

  6. ch0psuey - Sep 2, 2014 at 11:29 PM

    But but, Puig plays with so much enthusiasm or heart or something…….????

  7. jrbdmb - Sep 2, 2014 at 11:31 PM

    Plaschke already is foaming on Twitter: “Love love love Puig..Mattingly said he is benched so he can do extra work..yet Puig shows up in clubhouse 5 min before stretch.”

    Still there three hours before the game … how much BP can a player do per day?

    • doctortyler - Sep 2, 2014 at 11:47 PM

      Also, how long does it take him to get ready to take the field? When I played sports in high school, I got dressed and then went out to practice. It didn’t take me even five minutes, which is apparently the amount of time he had BEFORE he would have been late.

      • sliderhi - Sep 3, 2014 at 5:34 AM

        When it comes to pregame work, high school baseball bears little resemblance to professional baseball. Odds are your high school team didn’t have detailed video available of the opposing starting pitcher, and the 5-8 bullpen guys who might follow him in your subsequent plate appearances. I doubt your high school coach broke down video of pitchers, showing keys to look for if an opponent was tipping pitches. If you were lucky, you *might* have video of your own swings, and be able to go over it with a coach who would be able to show where you had a mechanical break down with your swing.

        The main issue isn’t the amount of time it takes for him to get ready to take the field. The main issue is the fact that he’s slumping right now, and isn’t taking advantage of the opportunity to work his way out of it. 4:00 pm may have been the mandatory report time for the players, but the coaches get there much, much earlier, and it’s not unusual for a slumping hitter to show up two or three hours early to go over video with a coach, then do some drills in the cage and get in some reps in early batting practice, before taking regular batting practice with the rest of the team.

      • stlouis1baseball - Sep 3, 2014 at 10:26 AM

        Again…when you are struggling you show up early. Not 5 minutes prior to the time you are supposed to be dressed (and on the field). But it’s Puig…so your excuses are expected.

      • SocraticGadfly - Sep 3, 2014 at 10:55 AM

        Per Slider and StL1, yep, it is a question of focus, or dedication, or whatever.

      • stercuilus65 - Sep 3, 2014 at 8:30 PM

        “But it’s Puig…so your excuses are expected.”

        But you are a card fan, so your irrational hate is to be expected.

    • sliderhi - Sep 3, 2014 at 5:42 AM

      The amount of BP any individual player can do is surprisingly limited in September.

      With the roster expansion, I count 18 hitters on the Dodgers roster – additionally, the day’s starting pitcher usually gets in a couple rounds of bunting and swinging away.

      I haven’t been to the Dodgers club house, so I have no idea how many hitting stations they have under the stands. Some teams only have one or two.

      On-field BP is also split with the visiting team, further cutting into your cage time.

      Add in pregame video work, and September is a very, very busy time for the hitting coach. If you want extra attention to bust out of a slump… show up early.

  8. sfm073 - Sep 3, 2014 at 12:12 AM

    I’m not sure how routine it is for players to show up 5 minutes before they’re supposed to be dressed and on the field, but from the sound of it, it sounds like this isn’t a routine thing for players to do. I’m not one of those get off my grass and respect the game type of people, but this guy hasn’t done enough in this game to get special treatment.

    • tearlw - Sep 3, 2014 at 1:59 AM

      Well, he is the best position player on the team. Generally, that will get you a pass on “almost” late.

      • SocraticGadfly - Sep 3, 2014 at 9:28 AM

        For the season, arguably yes. For the last month, not even close. See the stats, up top.

  9. dannymac17 - Sep 3, 2014 at 1:11 AM

    in other news. Kershaw should get MVP

  10. stercuilus65 - Sep 3, 2014 at 1:26 AM

    Wow a lot of petty Puig derangement syndromes posting today. “Almost late” omg the horror!

    • stlouis1baseball - Sep 4, 2014 at 10:01 AM

      Let me be clear. I am a baseball fan first. So there is no “irrational hate.” I can’t stand Brandon Phillips. But he would be my 1st choice of all NL 2nd Baseman. As for Puig…I think he is one of the most exciting players in the game. And people (such as yourself) do him no favors by continually making excuses for him. The sooner he gets his head out of his ass the better it’s going to be for the game of baseball. That…is where I stand. Cause’ again…I am a baseball fan first. Him continually being coddled soothing pats on the back and excuses being made by everyone is incredibly counter-productive.

  11. koufaxmitzvah - Sep 3, 2014 at 7:50 AM

    For the record, when Joc Pedersen got his first major league knock his second time at-bat, it was Puig leading the cheers in the clubhouse.

    Respect the game…..

  12. nickseam - Sep 3, 2014 at 8:36 AM

    The drama never ends because we have articles like this making a big deal out of a guy almost being late for something.

  13. SocraticGadfly - Sep 3, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    The drama never ends because we have some people thinking that Puig’s enthusiasm means never having to focus and never being part of a team.

    • stercuilus65 - Sep 3, 2014 at 8:32 PM

      Hey Gadfly did Puig piss in your cornflakes? Your deranged flooding on this board of a player you obviously have a vendetta against is amusing but rather sad…

      • SocraticGadfly - Sep 3, 2014 at 10:51 PM

        No, but apparently I pissed in your cornflakes, Puigboy. Hope they taste good. You’re rpobably an old troll under new name. Have fun with that.

  14. campcouch - Sep 3, 2014 at 10:34 PM

    Good ol’ warmups and BP. I remember those days. Laying out on the field under the sun, talking smack with teammates, stretching…well something akin to stretching, some sprints a few laps around the field, swinging at the same pitch from the coach over and over or if they were froggy, they’d fire up the machine and we’d swing at the same mechanical pitch over and over. Then come game time,I’d stand out in center field and occasionally run to snag a fly or scoop a roller, then I’d go bat and get frozen by a curve. Why didn’t coach throw more curves during BP? I’ll sue.

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