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Giants cut off extension talks with Pablo Sandoval

Apr 8, 2014, 11:25 PM EDT

pablo sandoval getty Getty Images’s Andrew Baggarly has the story:

SAN FRANCISCO – Giants GM Brian Sabean said he is “probably at the end of the rope” concerning contract negotiations with Pablo Sandoval, and that talks have been tabled between the club and its All-Star third baseman.

“We’ve given our best shot with good faith intended to try to get him signed and they’ve drawn a line in the sand that we’re not going to beat nor should we meet,” the Giants’ general manager told CSN Bay Area’s Jim Kozimor on Yahoo Sportstalk Live Tuesday. “Things have been tabled and we’ll see what happens up the line, but we’re not going to have ongoing talks from this time forward.”

Sandoval is now scheduled to become a free agent five days after the conclusion of the 2014 World Series. He’s one of the most productive hitters in the National League when he is healthy and clicking, but weight management has been an issue and so has consistency. Those two things may or may not be related.

You can’t really blame Sabean and Co. for not wanting to rush into a massive contract extension.

  1. renaado - Apr 8, 2014 at 11:36 PM

    Don’t take it to heart Pablo and move on… You still have the opportunity to play.

  2. smcgaels1997 - Apr 9, 2014 at 12:31 AM

    When he comes to camp in shape only during contract years…good for them. He wants Pence’s contract..stay in shape every year maybe. Let him walk so he can get. 90 mill from Kansas City

  3. 13arod - Apr 9, 2014 at 6:55 AM

    give him the money he deserves

    • jrbdmb - Apr 9, 2014 at 9:35 AM

      But he probably doesn’t deserve what he’s asking for.

      • blabidibla - Apr 9, 2014 at 9:53 AM

        He deserves more than what I’m hearing he was offered.

  4. rrsm53 - Apr 9, 2014 at 7:48 AM

    Leave some of the sandwiches and donuts alone and show them you can play at a high level you will get that contract from someone.

  5. sisqsage - Apr 9, 2014 at 8:43 AM

    He’s hitting .161 with some shaky defense thrown in, along with the usual Panda issues. Not a lot of leverage right now.
    Any team knows they are taking a big risk if they go all in with this guy, which gives Sabean more than another shot to get a deal done. If Panda gets hot and has a big year, they will likely give him an offer that will be generous and hard to turn down near the end of the regular season…just like what happened with Pence last September. Don’t be surprised if they lock up Belt before Panda.

  6. stex52 - Apr 9, 2014 at 9:26 AM

    Well, to be honest, they overpaid for Pence. I say that as a Pence fan. And yes, I would lock up belt before Sandoval.

    • bgrillz - Apr 9, 2014 at 9:33 AM

      Exactly, Brandon is committed to baseball, and works hard. Panda, love the guy, but too inconsistent. Injury issues, and fitness issues. He only gets serious when his back is against the wall. And yes, we over paid for Pence. But, he will play almost every game. And will hit. And is pretty good defensively. Things that are a big question with the Panda.

      • stex52 - Apr 9, 2014 at 9:50 AM

        And I wasn’t necessarily referring to work ethic. Belt just looks like he may have a higher ceiling than was thought before, and he is younger. We pretty much know what Panda brings. He is talented, but Belt may well be better.

      • blabidibla - Apr 9, 2014 at 9:55 AM

        You might be the first person to ever use the term “pretty good defensively” in relation to what Pence des in right field.

    • nogoodtomedead - Apr 9, 2014 at 9:38 AM

      I disagree about an overpay- market sets the prices- and by that standard they got Pence on a reasonable deal.

      • stex52 - Apr 9, 2014 at 9:48 AM

        If you look at market vs. WAR, it’s an overpay. 4X15 MM$ or 3 X 18 MM$ makes a lot more sense to me.

      • nogoodtomedead - Apr 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM

        So you think that on the open market Pence would have pulled in 4/60 or 3/54? You’re crazy.

      • stex52 - Apr 9, 2014 at 10:36 AM

        5 X 18 MM$ is too long/ too much. Some lesser combination would have snagged him.

      • nogoodtomedead - Apr 9, 2014 at 10:50 AM

        Well I disagree with you there.

  7. nogoodtomedead - Apr 9, 2014 at 9:37 AM

    Everyone is making this purely about his weight. His best season was in 2009- he screams potential that is not being reached. I think the Giants are right on in this- yes you lost weight- but will that translate into performance on the field? Wait and see. I like Pablo and all- but a big money commitment right now isn’t a smart move. Personally- I’d be happy to let the Red Sox, Yankees, and Dodgers have a bidding war for Pablo- and the Giants can swoop in and snatch up Chase Headley this offseason.

    • temporarilyexiled - Apr 9, 2014 at 11:35 AM

      This is all fine assuming the Giants actually DO get Chase Headley. If not, then what? But all of that said, it’s time to move on and find a 3B who doesn’t have to battle his weight to succeed.

  8. apeville - Apr 9, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    If Pence stays healthy – it was a good deal, given what players will be getting paid just 3 years from now.


    Hell, I don’t know.

    • temporarilyexiled - Apr 9, 2014 at 11:38 AM

      You might be right. It’s scary to think that today’s huge deals will not be so huge in a few years.

  9. wetbruce - Apr 9, 2014 at 11:31 AM

    The bottom line the Giants do not need Sandoval. Belt is establishing himself at first…..and down the road…Posey needs to move….If the Panda does not perform(sounds like a circus animal)…..and the Giants fall out of the wild card…trade him for prospects …..he would be a great American league player with his D-hing abilities…..the bigger question for me, does ………Posey go to second or third?…….He is a great draw at the park..hate to see him go…but?

    • temporarilyexiled - Apr 9, 2014 at 11:43 AM

      Posey at third would solve a lot of problems. But there’s no indication that’s going to happen. Of course, if Posey would be willing to do it, and the Giants asked him to do it, and if Sandoval is out of the picture (I’d be just fine with trading him for a good starting pitcher) then you might see Posey publically agree to moving away from catching, which he apparently really enjoys.

  10. dreadpiratesteve - Apr 9, 2014 at 11:41 AM

    Been a Giants fan for 30 years and I’m honestly excited to see him go. His act has worn very thin with me and his unprofessional attitude and playing style are a joke. Take the 1st round pick and let him walk. I applaud Sabean for playing hardball with that fat douche.

  11. lowercasejay - Apr 9, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    Posey is going to third in the next few years, if not next year. That’s why they are playing hardball with Sandoval. If he signs for their offer, fine. If not, they trade him for a catcher and Posey moves to third. The best case scenario is actually for Pablo to crush it this year to get a good haul at the deadline.

    • dreadpiratesteve - Apr 9, 2014 at 1:53 PM

      Agree with you completely Jay but the Giants may not need to deal for a catcher as prospect Andrew Susac is looking more and more like the future of the team at the catching position. Good glove, good arm and solid bat with some power. However, he may be a valuable trade chip for a SP at the deadline this year. The Giants have some flexibility with what they can do positionally and Sandoval really is not a necessary part of their plans going forward.

    • temporarilyexiled - Apr 9, 2014 at 1:56 PM

      I like your scenario. Excellent…cynical…reality. I just want them to trade him for a starter and bring up a catcher from within. They’ve done a good job lately of developing catchers… : )

  12. sisqsage - Apr 9, 2014 at 2:13 PM

    Since we are putting Posey in the conversation, Susac needs to be discussed. He will be ready for the bigs in a year and the scouts say he can hit and field the position as a top notch prospect. So Sabean has lots of options. He could be the long term answer at catcher and move Posey to third. I would hate to see the effects that catching will do to Posey over the long haul. He is a cerebral player who brings so much to the table with leadership, clutch play and already has a batting title and league MVP in the books. You hear those horror stories of catchers getting concussions (Tommy Joseph, Matheny et al). Posey declined late last year because of the physical demands of the position. Buster is such an asset with the bat in a lineup that has been very average at best over the last few years, so max production from him is vital, which a move to third would help facilitate. Panda could be good trade bait at the trade deadline to fetch a decent pitcher if Vogey and Cain keep underperforming. The question then is who plays third to close out 2014?. Moving Buster at midseason is pretty radical and would be frowned upon. The second base platoon might get moved to third. Arias has already shown he can handle the job on defense but would be a dropoff from Panda offensively. You would think Scutaro would be healthy by then to hold down second base. If they get the right pitcher, moving Panda might make a lot of sense, especially if his agent continues to be unrealistic.

    • dreadpiratesteve - Apr 9, 2014 at 3:31 PM

      Agree completely. It is an extremely demanding position physically and depth is key and you cannot run the risk of taking Posey’s bat out of the lineup for an extended period of time.

      Hector Sanchez is actually healthy this season and serves as a quality backup but that is probably his ceiling. Susac has starter potential. Though I think he may be more valuable to the team in the short term as a trade piece for a SP to upgrade from Vogelsong. I have seen some reports that the Giants may make a run at Justin Masterson if he and Cleveland cannot come to terms on an extension. They could move Pablo and Susac for Masterson and a mid level prospect at the deadline.

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